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gjgman · 5 August 2009, 06:05 AM

Is there a way to authenticate a Rolex positively without opening the case??

kcmo · 5 August 2009, 06:07 AM

To be 100% sure it's genuine, the case should be opened

Jocke · 5 August 2009, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjgman

Is there a way to authenticate a Rolex positively without opening the case??

I will say no, there is better fakes out there than you can imagine. So I will always
vote for a hood lift.

Jocke

SLS · 5 August 2009, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcmo

To be 100% sure it's genuine, the case should be opened

x2
Scott

Post some pics of the watch.

watchmaker · 5 August 2009, 07:12 AM

I have seen fakes that cost upwards of $600 with Chinese movements finished to look exactly like a real 3135.

Sometimes, taking the back off isn't always definative.
I have also seen many times (perhaps once every month) fakes which have real movements. Some of the high end fakes do the following.

They buy/steal whatever a real ss sub.
Manufacture a fake case out of gold. Put the real movement in it.
Then, using the real ss case, they put a fake/eta movement in.
Easy way to sell two watches. An this method produces exceptionally high quality fakes. One with a real movement, one with a real case.

The only way to be sure, is to have the knowledge of both what the movement should be like (appearance and operationally) and also the exact peculiarities of the case dial and bracelet. You need to look at the whole thing. Not just the movement.

AWATCH · 5 August 2009, 07:20 AM

I have seen genuine watches with aftermarket movements, so yes the only way to tell for sure is open em up...

sexner · 5 August 2009, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchmaker

i have seen fakes that cost upwards of $600 with chinese movements finished to look exactly like a real 3135.

Sometimes, taking the back off isn't always definative.
I have also seen many times (perhaps once every month) fakes which have real movements. Some of the high end fakes do the following.

They buy/steal whatever a real ss sub.
Manufacture a fake case out of gold. Put the real movement in it.
Then, using the real ss case, they put a fake/eta movement in.
Easy way to sell two watches. An this method produces exceptionally high quality fakes. One with a real movement, one with a real case.

The only way to be sure, is to have the knowledge of both what the movement should be like (appearance and operationally) and also the exact peculiarities of the case dial and bracelet. You need to look at the whole thing. Not just the movement.

Wow!

And people wonder why I don't buy squat off e-bay...

Harvey58 · 5 August 2009, 10:30 AM

What happened to this world we live in, wh would people behave so poorly!!!

Colnago · 5 August 2009, 01:44 PM

The demon $ that's why....sad but true

nektar · 5 August 2009, 01:54 PM

this is crazy.. that s why i bought it from AD

DarkHorse · 7 August 2009, 12:06 PM

When I bought my Rolex, I was 99% sure just from the outward appearance that it was genuine. Bracelet, case and movement looked completely legit to me. But believe me when I say, I could not sleep at night until I took it in to Sydney RSC to have it properly authenticated. Cost me $99 and I got a great nights sleep after that.

Why risk it?

5 August 2009, 06:05 AM	#1
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DarkHorse "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Sydney Watch: 118239 Posts: 413	When I bought my Rolex, I was 99% sure just from the outward appearance that it was genuine. Bracelet, case and movement looked completely legit to me. But believe me when I say, I could not sleep at night until I took it in to Sydney RSC to have it properly authenticated. Cost me $99 and I got a great nights sleep after that. Why risk it? __________________ The world is safe again... but for how long? Current: TAG Heuer 2000 Classic, Kobold Phantom Tactical Chronograph, Rolex Submariner 16610, Breitling Superocean Heritage Chronograph A13320 (Crowe Edition), Rolex Day-Date 118239

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kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	To be 100% sure it's genuine, the case should be opened

5 August 2009, 07:12 AM	#5
watchmaker TechXpert Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: London Posts: 2,238	I have seen fakes that cost upwards of $600 with Chinese movements finished to look exactly like a real 3135. Sometimes, taking the back off isn't always definative. I have also seen many times (perhaps once every month) fakes which have real movements. Some of the high end fakes do the following. They buy/steal whatever a real ss sub. Manufacture a fake case out of gold. Put the real movement in it. Then, using the real ss case, they put a fake/eta movement in. Easy way to sell two watches. An this method produces exceptionally high quality fakes. One with a real movement, one with a real case. The only way to be sure, is to have the knowledge of both what the movement should be like (appearance and operationally) and also the exact peculiarities of the case dial and bracelet. You need to look at the whole thing. Not just the movement.

5 August 2009, 07:20 AM	#6
AWATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: al Location: GEORGIA Watch: Explorer II Posts: 1,759	I have seen genuine watches with aftermarket movements, so yes the only way to tell for sure is open em up...

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