Thief School

[DadsWatch72]

I am curious if the advice given by TRF members on dials, serial numbers, appropriate #'s for dials, "tell tail" signs of forgery, ect... is being misused by the very people that are trying to scam others. They are being schooled by those who are very knowledgeable about Rolex watches from the forum. What better place to get advice on how to produce a fake that can't be easily detected than from people who know all the "tell tail" signs? I think this knowledge and sharing the 'how's and why's' should be given less freely. When I see someone new to the forum post, "How do you spot a fake" or "Is this watch that I have fake", all I can think is they will recieve knowledge of how to fake a watch and what 'not to do'. Any thoughts?

[sexner]

I like the way you think.

I NEVER would have thought that.

[Idle Swede]

You're right, let's stop talking about Rolex's.

[DadsWatch72]

Well, maybe a or a would be better than telling a person why something is fake. Otherwise unscrupulous people will take that knowledge and use it against you in your future purchases.

[2th Dr]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

I am curious if the advice given by TRF members on dials, serial numbers, appropriate #'s for dials, "tell tail" signs of forgery, ect... is being misused by the very people that are trying to scam others. They are being schooled by those who are very knowledgeable about Rolex watches from the forum. What better place to get advice on how to produce a fake that can't be easily detected than from people who know all the "tell tail" signs? I think this knowledge and sharing the 'how's and why's' should be given less freely. When I see someone new to the forum post, "How do you spot a fake" or "Is this watch that I have fake", all I can think is they will recieve knowledge of how to fake a watch and what 'not to do'. Any thoughts?

Interesting point you make.

[Numismatist]

We just have to stay one step ahead...

[DadsWatch72]

Its like when the news releases information regarding a police case. The police always hold back certain information only someone that was involved in the case would know. Maybe I watch to much television.

[Tools]

I think that the makers of fakes already know where their product falls short... Somewhere along the line they probably bought a real one..........

[DadsWatch72]

Yeah, with some poor sucker's money.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Tools

I think that the makers of fakes already know where their product falls short... Somewhere along the line they probably bought a real one..........

Have to agree with Larry.

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by Tools

I think that the makers of fakes already know where their product falls short... Somewhere along the line they probably bought a real one..........

agree 100%
they will have bought all the desired watches at some time or another
they buy a $10,000 watch keep it as long as they need it and then sell it for $6,000
its cost them $4k at most to get all they need which in comaprison with the money to be made is very very small

[Idle Swede]

Considering fake Rolex's outnumbers real ones at the rate of 5/1 in worldwide sales my guess is they don't have time to read forums.

[train-time]

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Considering fake Rolex's outnumbers real ones at the rate of 5/1 in worldwide sales my guess is they don't have time to read forums.

WOW, an amazing statistic. I wonder how many of us have a fake one and don't know it!!

[Idle Swede]

Originally Posted by train-time

WOW, an amazing statistic. I wonder how many of us have a fake one and don't know it!!

Post your here and we will tell you.

[DadsWatch72]

It seems to me that Rolex Company is putting a lot of time and resources in providing a watch that can't easily be faked, including aftermarket parts. The technology and equipment that is required to produce these new Rolex marks on different areas on the new watches outweighs the cost to reproduce them by a forger. If you have the money for a laser to inscribe a Rolex crown on a crystal then you probably don't need to be producing a fake watch. This technology doesn't help the vintage watch collecter though. I was also told by an AD that if you take apart the new Deep Sea-Dweller incorrectly you will destroy part of the watch.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by train-time

WOW, an amazing statistic. I wonder how many of us have a fake one and don't know it!!

I think the question is - How many have fakes and don't tell it !........

[smallcandle]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

I was also told by an AD that if you take apart the new Deep Sea-Dweller incorrectly you will destroy part of the watch.

Horological land mines. I hadn't ever considered that as a way to prevent forgers from taking apart a genuine watch, but that is an excellent idea.

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

It seems to me that Rolex Company is putting a lot of time and resources in providing a watch that can't easily be faked, including aftermarket parts. The technology and equipment that is required to produce these new Rolex marks on different areas on the new watches outweighs the cost to reproduce them by a forger. If you have the money for a laser to inscribe a Rolex crown on a crystal then you probably don't need to be producing a fake watch. This technology doesn't help the vintage watch collecter though. I was also told by an AD that if you take apart the new Deep Sea-Dweller incorrectly you will destroy part of the watch.

ah yes but have you considered how much it actualy costs rolex to make a rolex watch?
i bet a $10k(retail) watch costs no more than $2500 to produce
so when the forgers can make one that looks the same for $20 including the etching you can see why and how its big business especially if the government or local authorities in certain countries turn a blind eye

[sexner]

Originally Posted by train-time

WOW, an amazing statistic. I wonder how many of us have a fake one and don't know it!!

You might.

I KNOW I don't

[Idle Swede]

Originally Posted by sexner

You might.

I KNOW I don't

[DadsWatch72]

Who has equipment to take ceramic material and super heat it to the point its stronger than steel. That new bezel is not easily reproduced. Yes, it is possible for someone to forge it and duplicate it completely. But if you have the money and technology, you wouldn't want to gamble all your money with an illegal manufacturing process infringing on trademarks ect....not if you are sane.

[idk01]

There has been discussion in the watchout section on how much info needs to be divulged and I do personally frequent a few faker sites just to keep up with the latest release just as much as they most probably see how we discuss the flaws in counterfeit watches, regardless, these counterfeit watches are made cheaply, even though they may look convincing even with all the standard Rolex security markers like serial, laser etched coronet and paperwork, there is usually one or two things that are still incorrect, the shape of a number on the bezel, crown size, size of dial markers, alignment of letters, they can still be pointed out with a keen eye

[Idle Swede]

Originally Posted by idk01

There has been discussion in the watchout section on how much info needs to be divulged and I do personally frequent a few faker sites just to keep up with the latest release just as much as they most probably see how we discuss the flaws in counterfeit watches, regardless, these counterfeit watches are made cheaply, even though they may look convincing even with all the standard Rolex security markers like serial, laser etched coronet and paperwork, there is usually one or two things that are still incorrect, the shape of a number on the bezel, crown size, size of dial markers, alignment of letters, they can still be pointed out with a keen eye

Yiikes Dave, you just gave them the info they needed.

[idk01]

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Yiikes Dave, you just gave them the info they needed.

Heheheh there's still a few secrets out there Leo

[sexner]

Originally Posted by idk01

There has been discussion in the watchout section on how much info needs to be divulged and I do personally frequent a few faker sites just to keep up with the latest release just as much as they most probably see how we discuss the flaws in counterfeit watches, regardless, these counterfeit watches are made cheaply, even though they may look convincing even with all the standard Rolex security markers like serial, laser etched coronet and paperwork, there is usually one or two things that are still incorrect, the shape of a number on the bezel, crown size, size of dial markers, alignment of letters, they can still be pointed out with a keen eye

Crap!

You mean I have to go out to the garage and start building my fakee's from scratch?

[yanansi]

fake is fake, people who produce counterfeit watches normally have a real one so that they could copy. real watch mean so much than we discuss here isn't it.

[Idle Swede]

I'd say they still have a long way to go before they got it right.

What do you think?

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Tools

I think the question is - How many have fakes and don't tell it !........

Well, I found on where I used to work.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ghlight=ticked

What an ___clown!

[YuppieKid]

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

You're right, let's stop talking about Rolex's.

[YuppieKid]

that deals with "replicas" ....

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

I am curious if the advice given by TRF members on dials, serial numbers, appropriate #'s for dials, "tell tail" signs of forgery, ect... is being misused by the very people that are trying to scam others. They are being schooled by those who are very knowledgeable about Rolex watches from the forum. What better place to get advice on how to produce a fake that can't be easily detected than from people who know all the "tell tail" signs? I think this knowledge and sharing the 'how's and why's' should be given less freely. When I see someone new to the forum post, "How do you spot a fake" or "Is this watch that I have fake", all I can think is they will recieve knowledge of how to fake a watch and what 'not to do'. Any thoughts?