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19 May 2022, 06:26 AM | #1 |
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Opinion Of Rolex 5513
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I am new to vintage Rolexes and have always listed after one and an opportunity has come up. I would really appreciate input about what one would expect to pay for something of this nature. I would like to buy to keep as a watch to wear but don’t want to over pay etc if the extra money could be used towards a “better” example. Background: Rolex 5513 1967 Just back from Rolex service. Seller is 100 percent reputable. New crown, crystal, bezel insert I don’t know if dial is original or hands are original. I only have one photo so I do apologize. https://imgur.com/a/l3vqprY Last edited by CnC; 19 May 2022 at 06:26 AM.. Reason: Added link |
19 May 2022, 07:16 AM | #2 |
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You need more and better photos. Have the seller position the hands at 9:15 so you can see all dial text. I'd also suggest getting a UV photo of the dial/hands to check the tritium.
If the year of the watch is correct, the dial is a replacement. It should be a meters first for '67. What's the beginning of the serial number? Just too many questions based on one bad photo. |
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If you are not an expert in Vintage Rolex don’t buy one there are too many things on which you can get f**ed. Plus always buy from reputable and well known vintage dealers.
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19 May 2022, 08:21 AM | #5 |
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I completely agree with your sentiment! This one did just come back from Rolex and I do completely trust the seller however they don’t specialize in vintage so I would like to do some research to see if I can get to the point of being comfortable purchasing at the asking price.
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19 May 2022, 08:27 AM | #6 |
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For what it is worth, there has been a 1966 5513 advertised on the Los Angeles Craigslist for a long time for $10,000.
It is very similar to the one posted by the OP; 1.3 million serial number, watch head only, 1970's dial, replaced hands, etc. https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...472969894.html |
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Not similar at all, his dial is a matte feet first vs what you posted is a glossy 80’s.
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19 May 2022, 09:40 AM | #8 |
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Similar in that it is not the original dial. The difference in cost of one type of replacement dial compared to another type of replacement dial is not great compared to the difference an original dial could make.
Therefore I stand by the statement that they are similar, or at least similar enough for comparative purposes and setting some sort of perspective relative to other watches available. |
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Therefore it would be useful to put a price differential into the conversation if the value of the two dials is significantly different, for example:
The Craigslist one that is not selling at $10000 has a 1980s gloss dial whereas the OP's watch has a 1970s matte dial which, in my experience, is worth $X more, so the value of the OP's watch could be around $Y. Wouldn't that be a more constructive comment than just making a snide, troll-like statement that brings no new information into the thread? It all depends, of course, what the primary aim of posters to this forum really is; is it to help other members with good, well thought out information or is it to try and amuse oneself and a few other people with as many sarcastic, useless comments as possible? |
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? Troll? I’m simply stating your comparison is not terribly valid. I would argue that’s a relatively valuable contribution. Many people would not even consider a 5513 with a later gloss dial while a matte dial might be considered…And many people might not consider either. I don’t know enough about the market of these pieces to put a value there…so why would I?
Furthermore, the poster has posted 1 picture with the text covered. We don’t even know if the dial is authentic… |
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So you freely admit you don't know enough about relative values to know what the differential is, but you suggest that the comparison is not valid because the watches have different dials!! I can't see how that is useful or helpful, never mind "relatively constructive".
Maybe you should start thinking about what you can bring to the forum because you are making no sense at all on this topic. I'll leave this thread to those who know what they are talking about, but I'm aware that they are becoming more infrequent posters now, as it seems that knowledgeable contributors such as pauldavidthorpe, Milton Haywood, Springer, R.W.T., Dan S et al can't be bothered with the halfwit comments that plaque the forum. Pretty soon all that will be left will be posts about investment potential, congratulations on an incoming watch and all the cool, bro comments that go along with that. |
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He pointed out a valid difference. And to his point, that dial on the one you posted, you initially missed even mentioning that is NOT a 70s dial at all. It’s a later WGS replaced dial in terrible condition. A head from the same era with an actual matte dial would absolutely be more valuable than that one you posted. Further, the comment you’re objecting to wasn’t snide, rude, or in any way an attack on you. It was brief, yes, but it wasn’t incorrect. Lastly, if you’re going to object to and attack members here in the spirit of defending this forum and keeping it worthwhile and constructive, it wouldn’t hurt becoming a pledge-member like Juhuatai. |
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Thank you to everyone that has posted with assistance. I should have some updated photos and info today. I do get the feeling that once better photos are posted it will be easier to determine a fair price range for such a piece.
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I'd suggest spending more and getting a better, correct example. Ask yourself if you'd rather spend $10K on a vintage Rolex with questions/issues, or $15K on a good example with original parts. I always go with the latter. |
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Just for info the WG dial that looks pretty bad has been poorly relumed in the past. The relume applying stick has left an off-circular hole and prick in the 12 and other hour markers.
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I wish that trashed submariner was at 3k. Would love to wear it and beat it around.
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I'd buy that @ 3k. 10k is a joke
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Nice Submariners 5513s, that are correct with no dial or hand issues, a period correct bracelet and a recent service sell for around $15,000 on up. The nicer it is, the higher the price. I recently sold a very nice 5513 from 1972 with a period correct 9315 bracelet, a very nice full tritium dial and hand set as well as a correct Mark III bezel insert for around $17,500.
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20 May 2022, 10:11 AM | #22 |
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I would pay exactly $0 for a watch represented by one poor resolution picture. If you think it will bother the person to send more pics, I’d walk away from that deal. There are many reputable sellers on here with honest watches.
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Dial is later and probably releumed, insert is a service one.
It's not a watch that is worth any consideration imo. |
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In this day and age there are no barn finds. All sellers know what they have. You are grossly overestimating the intelligence of others. And underestimating laziness
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