PP5970G or 5170G+Plato

[conkers]

5970 without a picosecond of thought!

[kuota_kalibur]

Get the benchmark reference first or the grail. Focus on the grail/ trophy.
The rest will follow because it's easier to get anyway because of price point.

[nycbrose]

Originally Posted by keenufan

Is it 5270 more reliable than 5970? How about 5004P? Anyone can PM me the price for 5204P (probably out of my budget though)?

5004 is a true classic, but on the smaller side. My first love was the 5004 until I saw the 5204, which is 3mm larger, in house, and technically improved over the Lemania movement. Whether it's better is truly a matter of personal preference though.

[myopiccoog]

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

Originally Posted by nycbrose

5004 is a true classic, but on the smaller side. My first love was the 5004 until I saw the 5204, which is 3mm larger, in house, and technically improved over the Lemania movement. Whether it's better is truly a matter of personal preference though.

[Presa canary]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

Wow... Amazing

[HL65]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

[subtona]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

Incredible watches for sure

Curious in what ways would you say the in house is superior over the Lemania?

[SearChart]

I like all three but I'd get the 5170 and Platona.

[nycbrose]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

ah that black one so sexy...

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by keenufan

Is it 5270 more reliable than 5970? How about 5004P? Anyone can PM me the price for 5204P (probably out of my budget though)?

The 5204P is $317K USD for US ADs or 265K Swiss Francs (or the local currency equivalent) for the rest of the world.

I tried on the 5204P at an AD a few months ago. It is several mm thicker than the 5270G and felt a bit bulky compared to the 5270G.

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Look in threads and you will see a bunch but here is one for you from yesterday.

Thanks Ken. That is beautiful.

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

The 5204P is $317K USD for US ADs or 265K Swiss Francs (or the local currency equivalent) for the rest of the world.

I tried on the 5204P at an AD a few months ago. It is several mm thicker than the 5270G and felt a bit bulky compared to the 5270G.

Sweet, out of my budget though, next one maybe?

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I like all three but I'd get the 5170 and Platona.

Would you mind sharing your reasons?

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

Amazing!!!

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

In house blows the lemania away. I am not biased I own 2 lemania and 1 in house. Not even close!

I thought you wear all of your watches, or is that how you normally store them?

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by keenufan

Would you mind sharing your reasons?

I have tried the 5170 (in yellow gold) and I was amazed by the simplicity, the presence and the movement.
The daytona would make an excellent everyday watch and thus would those two be a great duo for me.

[myopiccoog]

Originally Posted by subtona

Incredible watches for sure

Curious in what ways would you say the in house is superior over the Lemania?

Here are a few that immediately come to mind. Probably missing a few.

1) the watch is more accurate with regard to time
2) the chrono function is more accurate do to the new patent. First patent on chron tech since late 1880s. On the lemania, the chrono starts .5 seconds late roughly every other time. The 5270 is dead on, no lag.
3) power reserve- neither are as stated but the in house is at least 12 hrs longer.
4) smooth winding and chrono function- way less friction on gears which should result is longer life.

[myopiccoog]

I do, I store them in the shipping box. Keeps staps fresh. Plus you can't scratch them moving around in box.

Originally Posted by subtona

Incredible watches for sure

Curious in what ways would you say the in house is superior over the Lemania?

Originally Posted by tom2517

I thought you wear all of your watches, or is that how you normally store them?

[HL65]

Originally Posted by keenufan

Thanks Ken. That is beautiful.

[locutus49]

What a terrific thread and I don't even own a PP. My two cents is that if, like me, you are a bit rough on your watches, accidentally hit them against the wall, desk, laptop....then the Platona would be a great everyday with whatever PP you could manage as a special watch.

[perpetualman88]

the 5970 is obviously a fantastic watch last of the lemania but......
if I was going to buy a watch in this family it would have to be J as it is the rarest and if I were you and looking to spend that kind of cash I would want the most collectable and I see the J as toping the plat one day in price and desirability just because there were less made than any other metal.

In this case I would go 5170G+plat but if you switched to a 5970J then hands down it would be my pick :)

Also the 5960P with the black dial is tops for the 5960 family.

Make sure you buy into the 5170 and plat at the right price or you will get burned in the rump on the resale

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I have tried the 5170 (in yellow gold) and I was amazed by the simplicity, the presence and the movement.
The daytona would make an excellent everyday watch and thus would those two be a great duo for me.

Well said. Thanks.

[keenufan]

Originally Posted by perpetualman88

the 5970 is obviously a fantastic watch last of the lemania but......
if I was going to buy a watch in this family it would have to be J as it is the rarest and if I were you and looking to spend that kind of cash I would want the most collectable and I see the J as toping the plat one day in price and desirability just because there were less made than any other metal.

In this case I would go 5170G+plat but if you switched to a 5970J then hands down it would be my pick :)

Also the 5960P with the black dial is tops for the 5960 family.

Make sure you buy into the 5170 and plat at the right price or you will get burned in the rump on the resale

Very good point. What are good prices for 5170G and platona?

[conkers]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

Here are a few that immediately come to mind. Probably missing a few.

1) the watch is more accurate with regard to time
2) the chrono function is more accurate do to the new patent. First patent on chron tech since late 1880s. On the lemania, the chrono starts .5 seconds late roughly every other time. The 5270 is dead on, no lag.
3) power reserve- neither are as stated but the in house is at least 12 hrs longer.
4) smooth winding and chrono function- way less friction on gears which should result is longer life.

You make great points myopic, and I agree with them all. I have sold my 5270 now for the very simple reason that I much prefer the look of my 5970P, and the 5270 was getting too little wrist time since the 5970 arrived.

Sorry for veering slightly off topic!

[conkers]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

The 5204P is $317K USD for US ADs or 265K Swiss Francs (or the local currency equivalent) for the rest of the world.

Jon, thanks for this, thought the US retail was USD350,000??

[el1125]

Originally Posted by conkers

Jon, thanks for this, thought the US retail was USD350,000??

No

[conkers]

Ok thanks for confirming. Serves me right for believing luxury bazaar dot com!!

[el1125]

Originally Posted by perpetualman88

the 5970 is obviously a fantastic watch last of the lemania but......
if I was going to buy a watch in this family it would have to be J as it is the rarest and if I were you and looking to spend that kind of cash I would want the most collectable and I see the J as toping the plat one day in price and desirability just because there were less made than any other metal.

In this case I would go 5170G+plat but if you switched to a 5970J then hands down it would be my pick :)

Also the 5960P with the black dial is tops for the 5960 family.

Make sure you buy into the 5170 and plat at the right price or you will get burned in the rump on the resale

No. The J will never top the Plat in price. Not now, not ever. The Plat is prob the most desirable watch in the most desirable metal. Followed by G and R. Check market prices and auction results. Are you perhaps selling a J?

[subtona]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

Here are a few that immediately come to mind. Probably missing a few.

1) the watch is more accurate with regard to time
2) the chrono function is more accurate do to the new patent. First patent on chron tech since late 1880s. On the lemania, the chrono starts .5 seconds late roughly every other time. The 5270 is dead on, no lag.
3) power reserve- neither are as stated but the in house is at least 12 hrs longer.
4) smooth winding and chrono function- way less friction on gears which should result is longer life.

very interesting, thanks for taking the time for the thoughtful reply

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by myopiccoog

I do, I store them in the shipping box. Keeps staps fresh. Plus you can't scratch them moving around in box.

Haha thanks, my 5970P is getting so little wrist time now that I was actually considering doing the same thing, glad to know it's not so weird.