ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
29 September 2013, 08:13 AM | #1 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
GMT 1675 Dials
Below are some photos that I have put together regarding the progression of the GMT 1675 dials from the various eras of production from 1960-1980.
Since I do not have every GMT dial variation in my possession, I relied on the internet for some of the photos which are depicted here. The gilt (or gold font dials) era for the GMT 1675 began with the original model and continued until it was discontinued around 1966. There were a few variations of the gilt dials with the early ones reading SWISS at the the bottom and the last ones from the gilt era with SWISS - T 25 printed at the bottom. There were also variations with the SWISS dials. There were the early "exclamation point" dials which looked like an exclamation point at the number six marker (see photo G-1 and G-2). There was also another variation where the dial contained an underlined score directly beneath the OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED font and the circa 1964 radial dial with the double marked SWISS identified in the G-rail photo below. The exclamation point dials and the underline scored dials would probably be considered the rarest of the gilt era dials. (There could be some other variations that I have over-looked.) Most of the gilt dials all have a distinct coronet which helps identify them further. Below are photos of the gilt dials identified as G-1 through G-6 and what I believe is the progression of the dials. The dial marked G-5 or G-6 was the last variation of the gilt dial and the G-4 preceded it. G-1 seems to be the earliest gilt dial and the G-2 and G-3 fell somewhere in between. After the gilt dials, the printing became white on the GMT dials. Each era for the various white dials found on the GMTs is easy to identify by the coronet printed on the dial. There are also luminova/super luminova service dials that contain a very distinct dial coronet and are marked SWISS - T 25 and or SWISS at the bottom (the dial coronet is the same on both dials). The white dials are identified below as W-1 through W-5 along with a photo of the GMT 1675 service dial. The dial marked W-3 is what is commonly referred to as the "radial dial" made for one or two years during the mid 1970's. Dial W-1 was used during the late 1960s thru 1971, W-2 followed next for a few years, then W-3 for a couple years and the same for W-4 and W-5. It appears that during the 1970s, the dial was changed every two or three years. I do not want to place exact dates on the production era for each dial variation but instead prefer to show the progression of the dials.
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
29 September 2013, 10:20 AM | #2 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UAE
Watch: GMT IIc, 16750
Posts: 285
|
Excellent post, thanks
|
29 September 2013, 10:34 AM | #3 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 1,107
|
Great informative post. I have a question regarding the so called W-3 dial. Why it is called the rail dial?
Thanks |
29 September 2013, 10:44 AM | #4 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
On the radial dial (incorrectly typed as rail dial), if you look at the second marks, they are much longer than those found on the other dials. Additionally, there is a larger gap between the circular plots and the second marks.
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
29 September 2013, 10:51 AM | #5 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 2,615
|
Quote:
Radial dial Gmt is often referred to as a the MK III dial and is often seen around the low 5.0 mil circa 1977. The Rail Dial is seen in some rare 1655's and 1665's and is when the "C" in Chronometer is directly over the "C" in Certified. These dial were made by the Stern Company.
__________________
|
|
29 September 2013, 10:54 AM | #6 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 1,824
|
Great post! Ought to be a sticky! Thanks, Springer!
__________________
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." "So you have enemies. Good. You must have stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill |
29 September 2013, 11:03 AM | #7 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Real Name: Marc
Location: France
Watch: 116710 & PAM372
Posts: 1,019
|
I thought the "rail dial" referred to the two lines for
Superlative chronometer Officially certified Where the gap betweens both words on each lines were perfectly align in the middle. See for more about "rail dials" >>> http://www.doubleredseadweller.com/rail_white_sd.htm on the excellent DRSD website >>> http://www.newturfers.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2256 on TRF ;-)
__________________
Always look on the bright side of life... Watch addict... |
29 September 2013, 11:15 AM | #8 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 2,615
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
29 September 2013, 11:21 AM | #9 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
29 September 2013, 11:23 AM | #10 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
29 September 2013, 11:34 AM | #11 |
TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron
Join Date: Dec 2007
Real Name: Ken
Location: SW Florida
Watch: One on my wrist.
Posts: 63,472
|
Great post John...Very informative!
__________________
SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT |
29 September 2013, 11:38 AM | #12 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 1,107
|
|
29 September 2013, 11:59 AM | #13 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Real Name: Rick
Location: London, Ont.
Posts: 666
|
Great post thanks for the details
|
29 September 2013, 12:30 PM | #14 |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2013
Real Name: John Williams
Location: Alaska outback
Watch: GMT
Posts: 1,051
|
nice post
|
29 September 2013, 01:04 PM | #15 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 27
|
Great post for dummies like!!!
Just use your photos to spot out a MK1 dial from a MK3 case newly advertised else where......very useful! |
29 September 2013, 01:07 PM | #16 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
You lost me at the MK3 case. I guess I'm a dummy.
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
29 September 2013, 01:11 PM | #17 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 27
|
|
29 September 2013, 05:47 PM | #18 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 6,024
|
excellent post, thanks for doing this
|
29 September 2013, 10:25 PM | #19 |
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North Florida
Posts: 16,613
|
Excellent John.
Here is an earlier Luminova variance to the 1675 "Swiss" Service Dial you posted. Picture came from one of our Sellers on the Forum. This one has the "Swiss - T<25" on the dial: . |
29 September 2013, 11:06 PM | #20 |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Real Name: Justin
Location: Jupiter, FL
Watch: 1530,1665,1680
Posts: 2,055
|
Great post thanks!
Always looking to learn something new. Great reference material! |
30 September 2013, 01:12 AM | #21 |
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Real Name: Joe
Location: New Mexico
Watch: Explorer
Posts: 12,753
|
Why isn't this stickied in the reference section??!! Beautiful!
__________________
It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982- |
30 September 2013, 02:00 AM | #22 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Real Name: SBK
Location: Singapore
Watch: means shou biao
Posts: 289
|
Great post John! I have been searching for informative posts on the dial variance of the GMTs but found most to be lacking. This is one great post that deserves to be mentioned and referenced to where GMTs 1675 are concerned. :)
|
30 September 2013, 02:18 AM | #23 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: michael
Location: Florida
Watch: explorer II cream
Posts: 1,661
|
Nice information John. I find the most variable styles in the GMT sport watches and dating the proper dials to case years almost impossible sometimes. Always good to have a refresher course of information. :-) M
|
30 September 2013, 06:57 AM | #24 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
Doesn't look like I'll be making it down to Miami but you guys have fun! I haven't spent much time there since I moved from Broward County many years ago and was looking forward to a return visit to see some old friends.
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
30 September 2013, 07:10 AM | #25 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
The GMT 1675 service tritium dial and the service luminova dial are both marked SWISS - T<25 and look identical except for the plot/hands material. There is also the service dial with super luminova material marked SWISS at the bottom. Photos of the service dial with tritium and super luminova are in my first post.
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
30 September 2013, 10:15 AM | #26 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Real Name: Tom
Location: Kauai
Watch: 1675-1680-16750
Posts: 3,346
|
Excellent post John! I agree should be stuck as a sticky!
Tom |
30 September 2013, 10:48 AM | #27 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Real Name: Dennis
Location: Bay Area - 925
Posts: 40,018
|
Good post and great photos!
|
30 September 2013, 01:09 PM | #29 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: jP
Location: Texas
Watch: GMT-MASTER
Posts: 17,230
|
Quote:
__________________
Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics. |
|
1 October 2013, 12:10 AM | #30 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: michael
Location: Florida
Watch: explorer II cream
Posts: 1,661
|
Too bad you won't make Miami John. Should be fun! We will miss seeing you.
best regards, M |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
*Banners
Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.