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Old 19 September 2020, 03:36 PM   #1
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Bring back the 16710 Mindset (rant)

Warning Rant: I know this is not in Rolex’s best interest and maybe not in your interest but I still want it to happen.

I’ve been thinking about a lot of the grey market pricing and it’s just nuts how a BLNR or BLRO is so much more expensive than an LN. or how the Cermit will be so much more expensive than a black sub.

I wish Rolex would just go back to the 16710 days. For the steel GMT and Sub, dials would be all the same, and the customer could swap for any bezel configuration at a later date. This is the case for the 16710 and for this reason, in the 16710 market there isn’t a premium for Pepsi, Coke, LN because changes are possible (though getting harder but still do able).

Likewise dials should be interchangeable for a reference number. As an example, 116500 owners should be able to swap. That’d crush the 5K premium for a white dial over the black.

And the other benefit of this is that it would disincentive bezel fakes. If you ever wanted to buy a five digit Kermit, you know what I mean.

Yes I know this is NOT in Rolex’s best interest nor in the interest of those who picked the right color bezel/dial. Rant over!!


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Old 19 September 2020, 04:03 PM   #2
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The 16710 is the perfect watch in my opinion if you get bored with the look you can switch out the bezel go from a coke to a Pepsi or black,but it’s not a good watch for Rolex they would want you to buy 2 or 3 watches these days and that’s what makes the GMT the perfect watch.
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Old 19 September 2020, 04:06 PM   #3
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let's not forget the oyster and jubilee options. 6 watches in one!
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Old 19 September 2020, 05:34 PM   #4
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Im about to switch my 16710 from BLRO to the LN bezel and I'm excited for the change!
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Old 19 September 2020, 05:45 PM   #5
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Changing dials is tricky. Especially for a Daytona. Hardly a simple risk-free affair. The latest lug shrinkage will ensure 5 digit appreciation continues to grow.
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Old 19 September 2020, 06:39 PM   #6
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Changing dials is tricky. Especially for a Daytona. Hardly a simple risk-free affair. The latest lug shrinkage will ensure 5 digit appreciation continues to grow.
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Old 19 September 2020, 06:43 PM   #7
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We don’t change the dial on 16710s. Just the bezel insert!
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Old 19 September 2020, 07:23 PM   #8
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Will never happen. Hard configuration settings Ensures people buy new watches for diff configs.

I think Rolex made a mistake (business mistake) with the 16710 and have corrected for it.

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Old 19 September 2020, 07:35 PM   #9
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I wish they bring back the 17610, period ! Can you imagine the storm if they do that !! Re-issue 16710,exactly like it was.
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Old 19 September 2020, 10:23 PM   #10
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Dreaming is fun!
Wake up and get a 16710 with all 3 inserts and both bracelets now!
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Old 19 September 2020, 11:10 PM   #11
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This will be the domain of Tudor. I’m sure they’ll release new GMT’s with different color ways in the next few years and their alumni bezels will be swappable. That ship has sailed for the crown!
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Old 20 September 2020, 12:24 AM   #12
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We don’t change the dial on 16710s. Just the bezel insert!
Nobody suggested a dial change on a GMT.
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Old 20 September 2020, 12:35 AM   #13
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I agree with the OP. I'd love to be able to change dials at an AD or RSC without having a "full service". Ship has sailed, unfortunately.
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Old 20 September 2020, 12:47 AM   #14
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I think the 16710 is the best kept secret in all of Rolex. Totally agree the ship has sailed for six digits.


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Old 20 September 2020, 01:27 AM   #15
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Wake up and get a 16710 with all 3 inserts and both bracelets now!
This is the only move. The values are not going anywhere but up.
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Old 20 September 2020, 02:12 AM   #16
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Im about to switch my 16710 from BLRO to the LN bezel and I'm excited for the change!
I just did the opposite. Thinking of adding a coke insert and also a jubilee bracelet. Why not take full advantage of this great reference, better than buying another watch I'm thinking.

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Old 20 September 2020, 02:17 AM   #17
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So true...I’ve been meaning to do this for awhile.

Will try to pull the trigger by the end of the year.
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Old 20 September 2020, 03:21 AM   #18
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Can't agree anymore, I like the 3 bezel color options for 16710.


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Old 20 September 2020, 03:38 AM   #19
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Does the old LV bezel work on the 16710?
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Old 20 September 2020, 03:53 AM   #20
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Bring back the 16710 Mindset (rant)

We’re all being taken for a ride, ladies and gentleman. Rolex is trying to position itself closer to AP and the like, and they brought Tudor back to America to fill the spot that Rolex used to occupy. So, while Old Rolex used to leave some room for customizability in the interest of customer satisfaction, the New, more pretentious Rolex won’t.

New Rolex regards its former customer base with disdain and would like us go buy something else, anything else, because we are not worthy.


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Old 20 September 2020, 04:08 AM   #21
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I hear the sentiment that Tudor will fill this void. I've read online and it seems like as of now, Tudor will not allow bezel swaps. Can someone confirm that?
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