I challenge every TRF member to not ever buy a gray market Nautilus again

[tng11]

What's the point of this post? Wishful thinking TRF could move the needle.

I personally wouldn't buy a grey market Nautilus again, or ever. But that's because I have the one Nautilus I really want, the 5712/1A. I'd like a 5711/1R one day, but not for that price.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

What's the point of this post? Wishful thinking TRF could move the needle.

I personally wouldn't buy a grey market Nautilus again, or ever. But that's because I have the one Nautilus I really want, the 5712/1A. I'd like a 5711/1R one day, but not for that price.

im skeptical of this post... because OP has another thread where he tried to get on a list 6 months ago which was well into the 5711 hype anyway. So why now do you want it? probably because its so desirable and so valuable to get at retail.

Everyone always wants it when the market explodes.... but where were they 5 years ago?

seems like its wanting it at retail now because they grey market is so high. Grey market is excellent and making people want a watch they didn't want previously but its weird to then be mad at it

[kultschar]

I think asking people here not to buy from greys is the least of your concerns.

Ask the people on Instagram instead! It might make a difference if everyone agrees lol

[codecow]

Challenge accepted, I don't need to buy them on the gray market because I can get at MSRP from my AD.

[Bearxj86]

I for one think that the grey market is a beautiful thing especially in this internet age. One of the biggest issues with watches and enjoyability in the past is liquidity. The grey market provides that in buckets....

If you have the $60-$100k to "buy" a nautilus, you can pretty much trade in and out of any nautilus. I think that gives you access to a whole line of watches.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I for one think that the grey market is a beautiful thing especially in this internet age. One of the biggest issues with watches and enjoyability in the past is liquidity. The grey market provides that in buckets....

If you have the $60-$100k to "buy" a nautilus, you can pretty much trade in and out of any nautilus. I think that gives you access to a whole line of watches.

Bearxj makes a great point... the grey market provides liquidity.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I for one think that the grey market is a beautiful thing especially in this internet age. One of the biggest issues with watches and enjoyability in the past is liquidity. The grey market provides that in buckets....

If you have the $60-$100k to "buy" a nautilus, you can pretty much trade in and out of any nautilus. I think that gives you access to a whole line of watches.

It's definitely convenient for those who tend to constantly move references in and out of their collection. That said, the only watch I'd consider buying grey is a 15202 (not even sure I really want one), on account of not wanting to buy a crappy AP or two prior to buying the one I want. Fortunately for me, I established relationships with a great Rolex AD and a great Patek AD prior to the current craze, and those are the brands I value most.

[Blah114aa]

Originally Posted by jag32

By continuing to buy gray market 5711's the problem will only get worse! I challenge everyone on here to have some restraint and resist the urge of buying a marked up gray market Nautilus...you are hurting all of us!

Respond to this with your pledge to not buy a gray market Nautilus which will perpetuate the problem!

In the words of Nancy Reagan.... Just say NO!

An watch that a reverso rivals for 1/10th the price. You’ve my word. I won’t buy one new or pre owned.

[AK797]

We should all work together to take down the man? Karl Marx would be turning in his grave, if it wasn't being vandalised every 5 minutes.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by AK797

We should all work together to take down the man? Karl Marx would be turning in his grave, if it wasn't being vandalised every 5 minutes.

Ok. Btw. Whos the man?

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Ok. Btw. Whos the man?

anyone who can get the watch from an AD
anyone who can pay secondary prices


So basically everyone except the AD customer who cant get on a WL

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

anyone who can get the watch from an AD
anyone who can pay secondary prices


So basically everyone except the AD customer who cant get on a WL

That was deep...im going to have to think about it a little more

[Humble michael]

Originally Posted by Dlindsay

You are allowed to eat it and bury in the back yard as well but strongly recommend the OP not to do it.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=645305

Ha!ha! I guess I’ll never live that one down. Hey op is it ok if I bury my new 5990 in my back yard?? How about the 5327 I purchased from an unauthorized dealer?Would it make you happy to hear that one got buried? LOL 😂

[Fabrice M]

Originally Posted by jag32

By continuing to buy gray market 5711's the problem will only get worse! I challenge everyone on here to have some restraint and resist the urge of buying a marked up gray market Nautilus...you are hurting all of us!

Respond to this with your pledge to not buy a gray market Nautilus which will perpetuate the problem!

In the words of Nancy Reagan.... Just say NO!

You are barking at the wrong tree. The only one that can kill the grey market is the manufacturer, not the customers. But they don’t and they won’t.

[Calatrava r]

I promise not to pay more than 75K.

[Protour2003]

Not sure that I understand why? If you're not buying grey, why do you care what the secondary market is.

If your thought is that the flippers won't be buying from the AD's, the demand goes down, and you won't have long waits, you're dead wrong. Too late to make a difference.

But, I'll take the pledge! LOL

[Snow-Dweller]

Originally Posted by jag32

By continuing to buy gray market 5711's the problem will only get worse! I challenge everyone on here to have some restraint and resist the urge of buying a marked up gray market Nautilus...you are hurting all of us!

Respond to this with your pledge to not buy a gray market Nautilus which will perpetuate the problem!

In the words of Nancy Reagan.... Just say NO!

I have bought from greys in the past (at prices substantially lower than MSRP) and I have sold to and through greys when I have wanted to offload.

I am currently considering making what is for me quite a major purchase. It would be from a grey at way above MSRP. Sometimes life is just too short to wait.

So, in answer to the OP....you have an emphatic no from me. Grey dealers serve a vital purpose, both in buying and in selling. I am thankful that they are there.

And I’ll spend my hard earned money however I like, thank you.

[kzou]

Originally Posted by Snow-Dweller

I have bought from greys in the past (at prices substantially lower than MSRP) and I have sold to and through greys when I have wanted to offload.

I am currently considering making what is for me quite a major purchase. It would be from a grey at way above MSRP. Sometimes life is just too short to wait.

So, in answer to the OP....you have an emphatic no from me. Grey dealers serve a vital purpose, both in buying and in selling. I am thankful that they are there.

And I’ll spend my hard earned money however I like, thank you.

Exactly. I just don't understand why people have no issues when grey sell at discount to msrp, but balk at the notion that paying above list from them. It's the same thing. Just market prices, if you don't want to pay that price then don't.

Also what's with the idea that people paying grey prices have more money than sense. They just have a different valuation for their waiting time that's all.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by kzou

Exactly. I just don't understand why people have no issues when grey sell at discount to msrp, but balk at the notion that paying above list from them. It's the same thing. Just market prices, if you don't want to pay that price then don't.

Also what's with the idea that people paying grey prices have more money than sense. They just have a different valuation for their waiting time that's all.

Totally agree. People used to call you stupid for buying from an AD when the greys were selling cheaper. Now that greys are selling SS for a premium, then they're evil and greedy.

Can't have it both ways. You can't want discounts from greys and then in the same breath, complain about inflated SS prices.

[Justindo]

No problem. I would personally never want one at list price, let alone at the insane gray market prices. A 5711 for the same price as a platinum Datograph is madness.

[Vaxe]

Done

[GreenLantern]

I choose to wait.

[TJMike]

With a couple of changes from one of my previous posts:

Threads like these always make me laugh. Rich guys complaining about the buying habits of other rich guys. It is a watch for f. sake! Who cares if they want to buy a watch from the gray market?! Oh, poor Mike can't get a 5711 because the evil grays sell it above its MSRP. I am now so sad...

And for Fat Ninja:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnAxOQxQIU

[Dlindsay]

Originally Posted by tng11

Totally agree. People used to call you stupid for buying from an AD when the greys were selling cheaper. Now that greys are selling SS for a premium, then they're evil and greedy.

Can't have it both ways. You can't want discounts from greys and then in the same breath, complain about inflated SS prices.

Had a look at your sales listings, I wonder whether you are aspiring to become a grey dealer

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Dlindsay

Had a look at your sales listings, I wonder whether you are aspiring to become a grey dealer

this is why i will never sell a watch here. because then you get stuff like this

not the first time either


context goes a long way and no one cares anyway. Im sure tom or myself can be in a competition to see who has lost the most money. Tom is probably ahead

I sell my no longer worn IWC,Cartier, Breitling, PM Rolex, several Non hot SS Rolex, PM AP's, Other various non hot AP's,. etc, etc, etc and lose a ton. I sell my 5712 that i also no longer wear, and then im some greedy flipper.... ridiculous

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by tjmike;9473252

and for fat ninja:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnaxoqxqiu[/url]

savage

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Ok. Btw. Whos the man?

I’m the man.

Don’t forget it.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by superdog

I’m the man.

Don’t forget it.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by TJMike

With a couple of changes from one of my previous posts:

Threads like these always make me laugh. Rich guys complaining about the buying habits of other rich guys. It is a watch for f. sake! Who cares if they want to buy a watch from the gray market?! Oh, poor Mike can't get a 5711 because the evil grays sell it above its MSRP. I am now so sad...

And for Fat Ninja:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnAxOQxQIU

I enjoyed this post both times.

Makes me laugh at how true it rings.

[TJMike]

Originally Posted by superdog

I enjoyed this post both times.

Makes me laugh at how true it rings.

Laugh?! I was trying to be savage!