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[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

If Vegas does win this I wonder if the league is going add this to the contract talks with the players assoc, pertaining to the cap overages during the playoffs.

Tampa was something like 11 million over the cap when they won a couple of years ago and Vegas will be over 9.6 million if they win.

Right now it's all legal to put a player on LTIR (long term injured reserve) and fill in his cap hit with whomever you bring in, and once the playoff start, you can bring back your LTIR player and voila, you're team is playing legally being millions over the cap. This is only possible because player salaries and the cap, only pertain to the regular season.

Tampa did it with Kucherov and now Vegas did it with Stone, adding 3 players to their lineup.

You have to wonder if Gary Betman is hearing flak from other teams that this loophole is winning teams the cup.

We shall see.

Rule are pretty clear for LTIR and both guys had surgeries. If it was for minor stuff league would probably investigate. The Athletic has an article about how hard Stone worked to make sure he could come back in time for the playoffs.

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[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Dynamite_Kid19

Rule are pretty clear for LTIR and both guys had surgeries. If it was for minor stuff league would probably investigate. The Athletic has an article about how hard Stone worked to make sure he could come back in time for the playoffs.

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No I get it, so did Kucherov. Back before the cap, players that were on IR would generally come back a few days before the playoffs started to get their game back, but now it would be stupid. So they're miraculously better the day the playoffs start.

It's a quirk of the rules. And every team would do it if circumstances dictated they had some of their best players coming off the IR near the playoffs.

But the other side of the argument is that both Tampa and now Vegas (if they win) have a team that's around 10 million over the cap, while the other playoff teams are at the cap.

Not sure how the league could address it but both Tampa and Vegas were able to add dominant pieces because of it.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

No I get it, so did Kucherov. Back before the cap, players that were on IR would generally come back a few days before the playoffs started to get their game back, but now it would be stupid. So they're miraculously better the day the playoffs start.



It's a quirk of the rules. And every team would do it if circumstances dictated they had some of their best players coming off the IR near the playoffs.



But the other side of the argument is that both Tampa and now Vegas (if they win) have a team that's around 10 million over the cap, while the other playoff teams are at the cap.



Not sure how the league could address it but both Tampa and Vegas were able to add dominant pieces because of it.

I don't see any teams hoping to stash someone with surgery to get the cap dollars because then they are playing without a star for a long time which could cause them to miss the playoffs. It's a gamble and Stone was for his 2nd surgery of the year and who knew if he would be able to come back at all. If you want to get mad at a team get mad at Toronto because they can miraculously put guys on LTIR who said they could/would play then they suddenly disappear like Jeffrey Lupul and Stephan Robidas.

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[Carguy87]

Well if we had to lose game 3 at least it was exciting! Panthers played solid hockey; they earned their W tonight.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Dynamite_Kid19

I don't see any teams hoping to stash someone with surgery to get the cap dollars because then they are playing without a star for a long time which could cause them to miss the playoffs. It's a gamble and Stone was for his 2nd surgery of the year and who knew if he would be able to come back at all. If you want to get mad at a team get mad at Toronto because they can miraculously put guys on LTIR who said they could/would play then they suddenly disappear like Jeffrey Lupul and Stephan Robidas.

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I'm not mad at anyone. I'm merely saying a quirk in the rules allow teams to have a better chance at winning the cup than others.

I guess a way to fix it is to require teams to be cap compliant during the playoffs.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

I'm not mad at anyone. I'm merely saying a quirk in the rules allow teams to have a better chance at winning the cup than others.



I guess a way to fix it is to require teams to be cap compliant during the playoffs.

Because the issue comes up when it's star players more than 4th liners, I bet the league appetite is low because it could preclude stars from being available during the playoffs. Not that the league knows how to market the stars.

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[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Carguy87

Well if we had to lose game 3 at least it was exciting! Panthers played solid hockey; they earned their W tonight.

Vegas is still the better team.

Florida though could be a team of destiny and has confounded the experts all playoffs long.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Dynamite_Kid19

Because the issue comes up when it's star players more than 4th liners, I bet the league appetite is low because it could preclude stars from being available during the playoffs. Not that the league knows how to market the stars.

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That's true but probably because the star players salaries when subtracted from the cap allow the team to add more and better players to fill in.

You're right a player making a million is not going to change the makeup of the team all that much if he's replaced, then comes back.

When Tampa won with Kucherov coming back there were a few teams complaining about it and the NHL probably thought it was a one off and nothing to worry about but a couple of years later it happens again (if Vegas wins) and you wonder if they will do something about it.

I'm not really sure what they can do though, because in Vegas case they brought in 3 players. And when Stone came back I guess they could block those 3 players from playing, but if Stone found out he couldn't really play after a few games, what do they do then.

It's a tough question and I don't know how they'll tackle it if they can. But bottom line is that these teams are 10 million or so over the cap and the other 16 teams in the playoffs aren't over at all.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

That's true but probably because the star players salaries when subtracted from the cap allow the team to add more and better players to fill in.



You're right a player making a million is not going to change the makeup of the team all that much if he's replaced.

Imagine the lineup the Coyotes could produce if all their guys came off LTIR! Datsyuk, Hossa, Pronger and can't remember who else they've had through the years.

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[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Dynamite_Kid19

Imagine the lineup the Coyotes could produce if all their guys came off LTIR! Datsyuk, Hossa, Pronger and can't remember who else they've had through the years.

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Arizona, where everyone goes to die??? Figuratively.

Shane Doan just signed with Toronto as assistant GM.

When Shane Doan leaves the team you know it's time to turn the lights off there.

P.S. I just edited my post above. What's your opinion of the last couple of sentences.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Arizona, where everyone goes to die??? Figuratively.

Shane Doan just signed with Toronto as assistant GM.

When Shane Doan leaves the team you know it's time to turn the lights off there.

P.S. I just edited my post above. What's your opinion of the last couple of sentences.

Yeah. Cue up Houston or SLC.

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[Dynamite_Kid19]

That Stone goal was sick!

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[Carguy87]

Originally Posted by Carguy87

Damn Nick going to do my Knights like that? Lol

I’m going with Vegas in 5

Or in 4 if they play four games like that absolute beating we threw Dallas in game 6

This post aged well!! GO KNIGHTS GO!!!

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by Carguy87

This post aged well!! GO KNIGHTS GO!!!

Congrats my man, total domination. Well deserved! And at home!

[Yobber76]

While I was pulling for Vegas it was kind of sad to see Florida finally succumb to their injuries and wilt to the superior play of Vegas. I always find it touching to watch the post game interviews of both winners and losers of the Cup. Hockey players live on adrenalin, and it's such a long playoff run, how hard it must be when it's over. The Cup is the ultimate goal for all of them.
The interviews with both coaches are touching, both of them very dignified and both of them teary-eyed. Winner or loser, it's a hard road to get there, both of them have had big ups and downs. There is always a humble respect for each other, and the finality of the moment.

[brandrea]

Congratulations to LV … they dominated in every way and are well deserving of the Cup

[Mifune]

it was a party last night for many, for sure... I heard a lot of fireworks going off.

[REQUIEMnJADED4U]

Much deserved first Stanley Cup and special congratulations for the original 6 misfits that still remain on the team from their own Cinderella run 5/6 years ago. As Gretzky said in the postgame, Florida ran into a machine in the finals. Now we can start looking ahead to the off-season and free agency that awaits. I highly doubt my Rangers resign either playoff rental in Kane or Tarasenko.

[Blansky]

Yeah congrats to Vegas. They are a well oiled machine and deserved the win.

It's so hard to win these days with the parity in the league and the fact that at the trade deadline you give up assets (draft picks) for rental players for the playoffs. And when you can't or don't plan on resigning them, you have to retool again the next year.

Back before the cap, you were able to put together a dynasty with good players and signings, but with the cap, being a real cup contender year after year is almost impossible. The Lightning did a good job of it but now are aging out.

Not sure what Vegas's cap situation is but the players who came in at the deadline will probably move on. In Toronto they gave up something like a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick for O'Reilly and I don't think they can resign him. To be a legitimate contender you have to gamble and give up so much future at the deadline that if you fail, you are left with few prospects in the cupboard.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by REQUIEMnJADED4U

Much deserved first Stanley Cup and special congratulations for the original 6 misfits that still remain on the team from their own Cinderella run 5/6 years ago. As Gretzky said in the postgame, Florida ran into a machine in the finals. Now we can start looking ahead to the off-season and free agency that awaits. I highly doubt my Rangers resign either playoff rental in Kane or Tarasenko.

Kane will be out for a long while. Having or had hip resurfacing done. Sad to see the season end. Hopefully a good off-season for the Wings. I really wonder if Florida would have had a better time with less days off. They were in the zone and to be off for that long broke their momentum. Vegas earned and deserved, played so great.

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[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Dynamite_Kid19

Kane will be out for a long while. Having or had hip resurfacing done. Sad to see the season end. Hopefully a good off-season for the Wings. I really wonder if Florida would have had a better time with less days off. They were in the zone and to be off for that long broke their momentum. Vegas earned and deserved, played so great.

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You have to wonder if Kane may go back to Chicago to mentor the new whiz kid.

Detroit is getting better every year, but I heard the rumor of Seider for Nylander. Not sure what I think of that but Seider is the read deal. Nylader is a perimeter player.

Not sure why Detroit let Bertuzzi go. I get the 2 first rounders, but you can't keep kicking the future down the road forever. What's your take???

I only saw Detroit a limited amount this year.

[Dynamite_Kid19]

Originally Posted by Blansky

You have to wonder if Kane may go back to Chicago to mentor the new whiz kid.

Detroit is getting better every year, but I heard the rumor of Seider for Nylander. Not sure what I think of that but Seider is the read deal. Nylader is a perimeter player.

Not sure why Detroit let Bertuzzi go. I get the 2 first rounders, but you can't keep kicking the future down the road forever. What's your take???

I only saw Detroit a limited amount this year.

Def not Seider for Nylander. Bertuzzi is very good but a lot of hard mileage/injuries. I just don't think his body holds up for his style and an 8 year deal.

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[Carguy87]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Congrats my man, total domination. Well deserved! And at home!

Yea it was an absolute blast to watch! Just wish my trip to Vegas had been this week instead of next; I’d have blown my “next watch” money on some great seats in a heartbeat.

Of course if I post a new incoming next week that will be a worthy spend instead.