PASSING THE TEST - Are you OK with a “background check?”

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Exactly, the AD sells all of their inventory.

You simply want to alter who it goes to because you are unhappy. Welcome to life, get on with it.

Not sure how you concluded I’m “unhappy” because I started a discussion topic. But, yes, my thread is to share opinions on ADs vetting clients to prevent from selling to brokers and flippers.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Not sure how you concluded I’m “unhappy” because I started a discussion topic. But, yes, my thread is to share opinions on ADs vetting clients to prevent from selling to brokers and flippers.

Originally Posted by vh2k

Are you willing to do your part in the effort to minimize flipping?

Why else would you be interested in reducing something that has no effect on you then?

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Why else would you be interested in reducing something that has no effect on you then?

Because this is a discussion forum and I occasionally create threads or polls to discuss topics and share my opinions.

BTW, I can 100% guarantee I have been vetted by at least two ADs to verify who I am and discern my intentions.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by vh2k

BTW, I can 100% guarantee I have been vetted by at least two ADs to verify who I am and garner my intentions.

Then you should be all set

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Then you should be all set

You have a great collection. Very impressive.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by vh2k

3. Not sure I understand your flipper question. But, if the AD surmises the person is a broker or buying to flip, the AD just says the watch is unavailable or they skip that person — which is something that happens every single day anyway.

So they can sell a normal watch to someone they regard as a broker? but will not sell a highly regarded watch to? Surely you see the ethics problem there? They decide that because someone is a broker they are disqualified from buying a certain watch, but, when it suits the AD, they can sell them a watch that is less desirable.

What if that person is a broker and buys a lot of normal watches, does he then get the chance to buy the rarer "in the back" watches? If not why, he is a high quantity buyer?

Who does the interview? A shop assistant perhaps, where is the information stored, what safeguards are there?

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by vh2k

BTW, I can 100% guarantee I have been vetted by at least two ADs to verify who I am and discern my intentions.

Did you volunteer that information after being asked or was this behind the scenes?

I would tell them to pound salt if they asked to vet me.

[JChips]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Did you volunteer that information after being asked or was this behind the scenes?

I would tell them to pound salt if they asked to vet me.

Yeah, no shit. Nobody’s business what I do with what I buy.


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[DLRIDES]

IMO

ANYONE that would agree to an AD performing a background check to acquire a watch, has serious issues that should be addressed.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Did you volunteer that information after being asked or was this behind the scenes?

I would tell them to pound salt if they asked to vet me.

Fair question. First of all, any good salesperson is going to want to qualify or vet you - whether you are in a watch/jewelry store, furniture store, or car dealership.

They look at how you're groomed and dressed, how you talk, what watch you're wearing.

They ask you some questions:
What brings you in?
Do you live close by?
Where do you work? OR What do you do?
Are you celebrating something special?
What watches do you currently have?
What kind of watches are next for you?
Do you have a price range?
... There are 10-20 more things the SA can ask to find out more about you and your intentions.

Secondly, if you want to establish a good relationship with an AD, your best bet is to visit them in person, share your story, and give them the information they need to feel comfortable selling to you. Some people may not believe this... but, ADs keep plenty of desirable watches in the back and can make a split second decision whether or not to offer you a particular watch based on their intuition. They do not put ANY desirable watches in the case for some random person to walk in and try it on.

I have been told pretty directly... if you call, you will never be offered anything, period. Direct quote: "I want to know who I'm selling to. I want to know you are going to wear the watch." Is this 100% of the time? Of course not.

In one case, I met personally with the General Manager of the company. Another AD, the Store Director made a special trip to meet me in person on a Saturday -- when this person runs Sales/Operations and doesn't even work in the physical store.

In summary, it's not something they have to do behind the scenes. They capture all your info, enter it into their CRM system, do a little research on you (do you actually live where you told them, what is your history, etc.), and then -- suddenly -- they either have the watch you want, put you on the list, or throw your request in the proverbial trash can. So, if you want to be treated well, you should WANT TO BE VETTED. If you are evasive and the AD believes your story doesn't add up, it may work out for you or it may not.... but I would guess your chances are greatly reduced.

My 2 cents.

[JChips]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Fair question. First of all, any good salesperson is going to want to qualify or vet you - whether you are in a watch/jewelry store, furniture store, or car dealership.

They look at how you're groomed and dressed, how you talk, what watch you're wearing.

They ask you some questions:
What brings you in?
Do you live close by?
Where do you work? OR What do you do?
Are you celebrating something special?
What watches do you currently have?
What kind of watches are next for you?
Do you have a price range?
... There are 10-20 more things the SA can ask to find out more about you and your intentions.

Secondly, if you want to establish a good relationship with an AD, your best bet is to visit them in person, share your story, and give them the information they need to feel comfortable selling to you. Some people may not believe this... but, ADs keep plenty of desirable watches in the back and can make a split second decision whether or not to offer you a particular watch based on their intuition. They do not put ANY desirable watches in the case for some random person to walk in and try it on.

I have been told pretty directly... if you call, you will never be offered anything, period. Direct quote: "I want to know who I'm selling to. I want to know you are going to wear the watch." Is this 100% of the time? Of course not.

In one case, I met personally with the General Manager of the company. Another AD, the Store Director made a special trip to meet me in person on a Saturday -- when this person runs Sales/Operations and doesn't even work in the physical store.

In summary, it's not something they have to do behind the scenes. They capture all your info, enter it into their CRM system, do a little research on you (do you actually live where you told them, what is your history, etc.), and then -- suddenly -- they either have the watch you want, put you on the list, or throw your request in the proverbial trash can. So, if you want to be treated well, you should WANT TO BE VETTED. If you are evasive and the AD believes your story doesn't add up, it may work out for you or it may not.... but I would guess your chances aren't greatly reduced.

My 2 cents.

Man, it’s easier to purchase nuclear components on the black market than a Rolex watch, according to this.

What’s next ? SAP code word access required before I can buy a watch ?


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[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Fair question. First of all, any good salesperson is going to want to qualify or vet you - whether you are in a watch/jewelry store, furniture store, or car dealership.

They look at how you're groomed and dressed, how you talk, what watch you're wearing.

They ask you some questions:
What brings you in?
Do you live close by?
Where do you work? OR What do you do?
Are you celebrating something special?
What watches do you currently have?
What kind of watches are next for you?
Do you have a price range?
... There are 10-20 more things the SA can ask to find out more about you and your intentions.

Secondly, if you want to establish a good relationship with an AD, your best bet is to visit them in person, share your story, and give them the information they need to feel comfortable selling to you. Some people may not believe this... but, ADs keep plenty of desirable watches in the back and can make a split second decision whether or not to offer you a particular watch based on their intuition. They do not put ANY desirable watches in the case for some random person to walk in and try it on.

I have been told pretty directly... if you call, you will never be offered anything, period. Direct quote: "I want to know who I'm selling to. I want to know you are going to wear the watch." Is this 100% of the time? Of course not.

In one case, I met personally with the General Manager of the company. Another AD, the Store Director made a special trip to meet me in person on a Saturday -- when this person runs Sales/Operations and doesn't even work in the physical store.

In summary, it's not something they have to do behind the scenes. They capture all your info, enter it into their CRM system, do a little research on you (do you actually live where you told them, what is your history, etc.), and then -- suddenly -- they either have the watch you want, put you on the list, or throw your request in the proverbial trash can. So, if you want to be treated well, you should WANT TO BE VETTED. If you are evasive and the AD believes your story doesn't add up, it may work out for you or it may not.... but I would guess your chances aren't greatly reduced.

My 2 cents.

WOW !

) Would one be sent to a “work camp” in Siberia if the questions are not answered correctly ?

) Cane lashing possibly ?

) Publicly “whipped at the post” ?

) Spiked shackles for a year ?

This thread is enlightening.

[daveathall]

The only thing an AD needs is confirmation that my debit card has been accepted on payment.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by daveathall

The only thing an AD needs is confirmation that my debit card has been accepted on payment.

If you think that strategy works better for you, more power to you!

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by vh2k

If you think that strategy works better for you, more power to you!

It does. I have never waited to buy any watch, if I am excluded because of it, then so be it, I am not one for buying wine or the like for an AD, the amount of money I spend, they should be courting me, not the other way round. I dont regard any AD as anything special.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Fair question. First of all, any good salesperson is going to want to qualify or vet you - whether you are in a watch/jewelry store, furniture store, or car dealership.

They look at how you're groomed and dressed, how you talk, what watch you're wearing.

They ask you some questions:
What brings you in?
Do you live close by?
Where do you work? OR What do you do?
Are you celebrating something special?
What watches do you currently have?
What kind of watches are next for you?
Do you have a price range?
... There are 10-20 more things the SA can ask to find out more about you and your intentions.

Secondly, if you want to establish a good relationship with an AD, your best bet is to visit them in person, share your story, and give them the information they need to feel comfortable selling to you. Some people may not believe this... but, ADs keep plenty of desirable watches in the back and can make a split second decision whether or not to offer you a particular watch based on their intuition. They do not put ANY desirable watches in the case for some random person to walk in and try it on.

I have been told pretty directly... if you call, you will never be offered anything, period. Direct quote: "I want to know who I'm selling to. I want to know you are going to wear the watch." Is this 100% of the time? Of course not.

In one case, I met personally with the General Manager of the company. Another AD, the Store Director made a special trip to meet me in person on a Saturday -- when this person runs Sales/Operations and doesn't even work in the physical store.

In summary, it's not something they have to do behind the scenes. They capture all your info, enter it into their CRM system, do a little research on you (do you actually live where you told them, what is your history, etc.), and then -- suddenly -- they either have the watch you want, put you on the list, or throw your request in the proverbial trash can. So, if you want to be treated well, you should WANT TO BE VETTED. If you are evasive and the AD believes your story doesn't add up, it may work out for you or it may not.... but I would guess your chances are greatly reduced.

My 2 cents.

Sorry dude, that's just ridiculous. I will never work that hard to spend my money. I understand the friendly nature of small talk with an SA, but I am not subjecting myself to vetting or a background check (knowingly). My 2¢

And you still haven't answered my question if you have volunteered yourself to be vetted and background checked.

Originally Posted by daveathall

the amount of money I spend, they should be courting me, not the other way round.

Exactly.

[jamesthejeweller]

Originally Posted by Burlington

Could this have also been about anti money laundering given the high value of something so easily transported globally ?

Maybe yes, but anti-money laundering is normally performed by a 'MLRO' employee in the compliance department of banks etc. I'm not sure it applies to highstreet retail. But I agree with you that is is a good question and maybe the reason why I was quizzed directly by Rolex Geneva.

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[JChips]

Originally Posted by daveathall

The only thing an AD needs is confirmation that my debit card has been accepted on payment.

Exactly. Seems people have voluntarily reversed the table. I’m the one with the money, if the dealer expects something more than that - I will gladly take my business elsewhere.


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[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by JChips

Exactly. Seems people have voluntarily reversed the table. I’m the one with the money, if the dealer expects something more than that - I will gladly take my business elsewhere.


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I agree.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by JChips

Exactly. Seems people have voluntarily reversed the table. I’m the one with the money, if the dealer expects something more than that - I will gladly take my business elsewhere.

Nothing wrong with that philosophy. Fair perspective.

If a dealer wants to feel more comfortable that I’m not a broker or flipper, I’m fine with that — as it works to my advantage.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Nothing wrong with that philosophy. Fair perspective.

If a dealer wants to feel more comfortable that I’m not a broker or flipper, I’m fine with that — as it works to my advantage.

If I was the sales rep/manager/owner and I would hear you do the talking, I would die laughing that this is actually happening. It's just a watch. I have to put in more effort to get a Daytona than to get a girlfriend, wife and kids.

[envuks]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I have to put in more effort to get a Daytona than to get a girlfriend, wife and kids.

Everybody gets a girlfriend / wife and kids. Not everybody gets a daytona

[Flyinghunter]

Privacy value > Any watch ever made

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by jamesthejeweller

Maybe yes, but anti-money laundering is normally performed by a 'MLRO' employee in the compliance department of banks etc. I'm not sure it applies to highstreet retail. But I agree with you that is is a good question and maybe the reason why I was quizzed directly by Rolex Geneva.

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Some businesses, especially those that deal with high value cash exchanges, are required to report transactions above a certain threshold. It depends on the jurisdiction, but reporting may be only for cash transactions or all transactions > a certain amount.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Some businesses, especially those that deal with high value cash exchanges, are required to report transactions above a certain threshold. It depends on the jurisdiction, but reporting may be only for cash transactions or all transactions > a certain amount.

I bought my watch on my debit card. Only hiccup was I had to have my bank raise my daily spending limit.

What’s next OP? When the greys figure out how to get around the background checks it moves up to if your DNA is on a watch that was sold in the last 5 you get blacklisted? Will we eventually have to provide a mouth swab? Take a lie detector test? Sign some silly contract to prevent sale within a certain time frame?

I get your unhappiness but this nonsense of getting background checked to get a watch is absurd. It’s not a job, it’s not enrolling your kids in private school. It’s paying a large sum of money for a watch.


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[MichaelFlash]

Wow. Nuts someone would actually go to such lengths for a watch. Priorities matter.

[Psmith]

I'll agree to a polygraph test if the AD shows me the contents of their safe, and invites me to witness the unpacking of each shipment from Rolex. Oh, and discloses the exact nature of their relationship with the grey market.

[Al1969]

I just can’t believe what I’ve been reading. I mean...it’s just a watch.
What’s next? Agree in writing to donate vital organs to the AD for a “hard to find” reference?
For the poll I voted “don’t care”. Live a little. Ridiculous!

[airchitect]

Any AD who did this is owned by an absolute psycho.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by airchitect

Any AD who did this is owned by an absolute psycho.

Literally LOL