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Old 25 September 2019, 11:03 AM   #1
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My fathers old Sub

Hi, My father passed recently. He had a few Rolex watches and we found this one in a safe at his home. I am writing this in hopes someone can help me with the year and if it is original or, a Frankenstein version thrown together.

Years ago, I took this to the local Rolex dealer and had it serviced (Blackman Jewelry Newport Beach, CA).
They had some information but I forgot it long ago. Here is what I believe to be true.

My father was in the Korean War and was on Subs. He eventually became a Navy Commander and retired in the late 1980's. I do not know the year of this watch.
I have no idea when he purchased it. My wife says he is wearing it in old photos from the 1960's, I don't know if I see this watch or a different style in the photo.
I removed the band to look for a model number, there is not one on the case.

I am not looking to sell this watch. I just want more information and possibly to insure if it is of value. Prior to taking to the dealer, I figured I would ask here. You guys are very good at information.

I was considering having it restored. However, I just don't know.

Mods, I am not looking to sell, just curious on the information I hope to get.

Thanks, Bryan

Thanks in advance for any information you guys might have.

Here are some photos.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/album/...T66nxgh6iRlVeQ
https://thumbnails-photos.amazon.com...A1SBE1NPBF4DNH
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Old 25 September 2019, 11:05 AM   #2
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Hi Bryan. Those pic links don't work.

Use imgur.com to upload your photos.
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Old 26 September 2019, 02:08 AM   #3
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Interested to see some pictures. Great back story to the watch.
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Old 26 September 2019, 01:10 PM   #4
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Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 26 September 2019, 01:21 PM   #5
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Following and sorry for your loss
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Old 26 September 2019, 01:40 PM   #6
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Very sorry to hear about your father, this watch is a wonderful heirloom for you to enjoy. And a really attractive watch IMO.

Unfortunate that the reference number can't be read, but maybe if you look really closely between the lugs at both 6 and 12 o'clock, in different light under magnification, something will show up. I don't think it's all original, since the dial appears later than the case, but that definitely doesn't mean it's a franken. Rolex often installed authentic parts to replace worn parts when watches underwent standard maintenance service.

I don't think it really needs any restoration other than a standard service for the movement, keeping everything else as is.
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Old 26 September 2019, 01:56 PM   #7
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Sorry for your loss bro. Very cool watch.


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Old 26 September 2019, 02:19 PM   #8
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My condolences to the OP.

Your father’s Sub unfortunately has had a later dial and bezel insert swapped in at some point. If you’re able to safely get the bracelet off, there’s hopefully serial number and reference info still visible on the case between the lower lugs.

Best of luck with refurbishing an invaluable memento!
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Old 27 September 2019, 11:15 AM   #9
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Thanks for the information and I appreciate the kinds words about my Father. He was quite the man and defiantly will be missed. Do you think sending the Rolex, would be the best bet for service?
I send mine to Beverly Hills in Los Angelas CA.

Thanks again,

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Old 27 September 2019, 11:18 AM   #10
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Thanks for the information and I appreciate the kinds words about my Father. He was quite the man and defiantly will be missed. Do you think sending the Rolex, would be the best bet for service?
I send mine to Beverly Hills in Los Angelas CA.

Thanks again,

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I would find a vintage specialist. Sorry for your loss. He wore this watch a lot from the shape of it, what a fantastic heirloom.


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Old 27 September 2019, 11:23 AM   #11
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Rolex will likely replace the old parts (e.g. the dial) with new ones. If you want to retain the vintage look, you should send it to an independent.
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Old 27 September 2019, 11:23 AM   #12
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Just thought I'd put the photos in the thread. Nice watch. Sorry about your dad.





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Old 27 September 2019, 11:24 AM   #13
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Rolex will likely replace the old parts (e.g. the dial) with new ones. If you want to retain the vintage look, you should send it to an independent.

+1. Dudes right. Donít take the chance.


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Old 27 September 2019, 12:52 PM   #14
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OK, Understand. I will be on the mainland in Southern CA for 2 months, Nov and Dec. We have a home there (Newport Beach). Can anyone recommend a service center in a close proximity? (If there is one).

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Old 27 September 2019, 12:53 PM   #15
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Just thought I'd put the photos in the thread. Nice watch. Sorry about your dad.





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Old 27 September 2019, 01:15 PM   #16
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OK, Understand. I will be on the mainland in Southern CA for 2 months, Nov and Dec. We have a home there (Newport Beach). Can anyone recommend a service center in a close proximity? (If there is one).

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In SoCal, LA Watchworks is widely recommended. It's in Pasadena, however, so not super-close to Newport Beach, but perhaps worth the drive to avoid shipping risk and expenses. They often have a significant backlog, so you may want to contact them in advance.

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Old 27 September 2019, 01:18 PM   #17
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Appears to be a small crown, no crown guard model. Probably 5508 with a later 5512 dial fitted. 5508 is a 100m watch, not 200m. I personally wouldn't worry about the dial (as it is completely wrong). If you can't find a 5508 dial, I'd have no problem putting in service parts, not polishing (anymore), getting it on my wrist and wearing it in memory of your Dad.

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Old 27 September 2019, 02:05 PM   #18
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Thanks for the information and I appreciate the kinds words about my Father. He was quite the man and defiantly will be missed. Do you think sending the Rolex, would be the best bet for service?
I send mine to Beverly Hills in Los Angelas CA.

Thanks again,

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As someone who recently walked into the Rolex Service Center (in Beverly Hills) to ask about my vintage GMT Master 1675, I can definitely recommend that you do not, and I repeat do not, have it serviced there. They will replace literally everything on that watch, and I believe I am using that term correctly here. However, if you are in Newport you could make a day of it and take it to the Rolex place in Beverly Hills (on Wilshire Just east of Beverly) just for shits and giggles, (once you realize there will be nothing left of your original watch...) before you take it to the real experts at LA Watch Works. They know vintage watches, and will give you great advice on maintaining the original character of that gem. I took mine there for an evaluation and they were very knowledgable and very nice. If you do a search on this forum you will see some examples of their fine work. LAWW.
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Old 28 September 2019, 09:58 AM   #19
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So sorry about your loss. As a retired veteran, I thank your father for his service. I have a good friend who also served during Korea and have heard some pretty bad horror stories. I hope his service was without any bad issues.

Getting to the watch, It is definitely a valuable heirloom and I agree that you have a certified independent watchmaker handle the service to the watch so you can control what work will be done. I'm sure there are some very well qualified watchmakers out your way that can handle it. I found mine via the jewelry store I purchased my DJ at. Many of the reputable jewelry stores either have a qualified watchmaker on site or local where they send it.

Good luck and where the watch proudly.
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Old 28 September 2019, 10:18 AM   #20
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OK, Understand. I will be on the mainland in Southern CA for 2 months, Nov and Dec. We have a home there (Newport Beach). Can anyone recommend a service center in a close proximity? (If there is one).

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Definitely RolliWorks in my opinion from experience with vintage pieces. https://www.rolliworks.com/

I would change nothing; clean case and bracelet, polish crystal, and simply service the movement. Keep it's patina and character. It'll be just like your dad wore but perfectly functioning. Don't change anything about it's aesthetics! You want an independent vintage specialist. You'll be in good hands with any of the recommendations you receive. I would stay away from a Rolex Service Center. This can be easily handled by recommendations here.

That's a fantastic piece! Your old man sounds like quite the guy.
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Old 28 September 2019, 12:55 PM   #21
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Yes, he was quite the guy and is missed every second of the day. I will call and talk with the companies above. I really appreciate the kind words about my father.
Thank you for the contacts to take the watch for service.
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