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Cosmokramer · 2 June 2023, 11:52 AM

Hi folks, I'm wondering if some members here can give some feedback of a Tudor Submariner I'm considering purchasing.
This is my first post on this forum so be gentle ;) I've spend a lot of time on other well known watch forums and a local one aswell but have only been lurking here in the past few weeks. I've owned two previous vintage watches in the past (1 Tudor oysterdate, and 1 Omega Constilation) but still find the vintage relm a minefield.
The watch in question is a Tudor Submariner 76100. From what my very novice eyes can see it looks decent however I'm unsure about the engraving arrangement on the caseback.
Can anyone with a bot of experience help a brother out?
(Hopefully the pictures are added correctly.)s-l1600.jpg

Much appreciated!

Filipão · 2 June 2023, 12:15 PM

At a 1st. glance caseback engravings looks legit.

Despite poor pic, dial and insert look ok.

Please ask seller for engravings between lugs and allow yourself some time for the real Tudor experts to chime in.

Edit - Insert might be a later "service"?

Cosmokramer · 2 June 2023, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filipão

At a 1st. glance caseback engravings looks legit.

Despite poor pic, dial and insert look ok.

Please ask seller for engravings between lugs and allow yourself some time for the real Tudor experts to chime in.

Edit - Insert might be a later "service"?

Thank you kindly. Good advice about the serial and reference number between the lugs!

TuRo · 2 June 2023, 09:02 PM

The caseback is service one.

The original one had larger text and much closer to the outside of caseback.

Nice patina on dial and H/s. Btw the original 76100 had a distinctive style T - SWISS - T just below the 6 triangle.

Ps - So called non-lollipop (or mercedes) were fitted from day one of launch occasionally too btw... to bust an old myth :-)

Cosmokramer · 2 June 2023, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuRo

The caseback is service one.

The original one had larger text and much closer to the outside of caseback.

Nice patina on dial and H/s. Btw the original 76100 had a distinctive style T - SWISS - T just below the 6 triangle.

Ps - So called non-lollipop (or mercedes) were fitted from day one of launch occasionally too btw... to bust an old myth :-)

Do these pictures help?

TuRo · 2 June 2023, 10:08 PM

Yes thanks - that is what I mean ✓ Nice Dial.and handset.

Dom9 · 2 June 2023, 10:20 PM

As the others have said; service case back and insert, I'd say.

Case looks pretty fat with some polishing. Any movement pics?

Looks in very good condition and the patina is lovely. I don't know... does it look a bit too good? Potential re-lume dial and hands?

Caveat; I am a 9411 not a 76100 man.

Cosmokramer · 2 June 2023, 11:50 PM

I've asked for pics of the case between the lugs, inside of the caseback, and movement buy hasn't hear back yet. It's on Chrono24 in my home country so I'm hoping for a response soon.

Cosmokramer · 3 June 2023, 12:09 AM

The seller states the reference number and serial match and says the are bold and pronounced but hasn't provided pictures to support. Seller has also said the caseback is "on too tight" to show pics of the movement. Should I walk away from this?

hutch300 · 3 June 2023, 01:46 AM

I'd think a watchmaker would be able to help him. Is he a dealer or private individual?

Dom9 · 3 June 2023, 03:24 AM

"Caseback on too tight" is a red flag, in my opinion. Pics of the serial should be simple. It's a high value item; most people will want to see/check the movement is correct, so he'd be doing himself a favour by getting some help in getting that off.

TuRo · 3 June 2023, 03:42 AM

I suspect the ETA might be ok (or worst case a later version) they are cheap I bought one for £845 last month.

However, seller not immediately showing north and south lug engravings though is a not good/positive sign (as mid-case is 35% of 76100 value @ circa £1700 -1900), as it is so, so easy to remove the end links and display...the service case back is no super-biggie (as no date stamped inside on 84/85 76100)..... but when one thing is off...

I have found sometimes the adage 'no smoke without fire ' is apt.

Filipão · 3 June 2023, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuRo

The caseback is service one.

The original one had larger text and much closer to the outside of caseback.

@TuRo, you mean like this one?

Filipão · 3 June 2023, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmokramer

Do these pictures help?

@Cosmokramer

Wow. Outstanding dial and hands!

TuRo · 3 June 2023, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filipão

@TuRo, you mean like this one?

These a few Styles. Yes, like this.... but more often even further out and larger text like this Rgds

: Tudor Submariner
£5,237
https://chrono24.app/tudor/submarine...GB&SETCURR=GBP

Cosmokramer · 4 June 2023, 04:39 AM

Thanks everyone for the feedback and help. Seller doesn't seem interested in helping a potential buyer get some pictures to identify the watch properly. Ive contacted them twice on chrono and ince on thier website and It seems this seller is not looking to answer questions or provide proper info on the watch. Maybe it's legit and a good buy but I'm just not experienced enough at this point to not have the info suggested by people in this thread.
I'm walking away from this one.

Dom9 · 4 June 2023, 04:44 AM

Sounds like a good decision. Buy the seller and all that!

Filipão · 4 June 2023, 09:55 AM

Unfortunately I too have encountered many (stupid) "pro" sellers uncooperative.

Their loss!

I looked for a decent 5513 WGS for a couple of months and ended up bumping into a stunning Tudor snowflake, just by chance.

Keep on looking, you'll find the right one eventually. Don't rush!

Cosmokramer · 5 June 2023, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filipão

Unfortunately I too have encountered many (stupid) "pro" sellers uncooperative.

Their loss!

I looked for a decent 5513 WGS for a couple of months and ended up bumping into a stunning Tudor snowflake, just by chance.

Keep on looking, you'll find the right one eventually. Don't rush!

Good advice!

Cosmokramer · 5 June 2023, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filipão

Unfortunately I too have encountered many (stupid) "pro" sellers uncooperative.

Their loss!

I looked for a decent 5513 WGS for a couple of months and ended up bumping into a stunning Tudor snowflake, just by chance.

Keep on looking, you'll find the right one eventually. Don't rush!

Good advice!

Cosmokramer · 5 June 2023, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hutch300

I'd think a watchmaker would be able to help him. Is he a dealer or private individual?

Dealer

2 June 2023, 12:15 PM	#2
Filipão "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Filipe Location: Lisbon & Wadesdah Watch: Never too many Posts: 1,898	At a 1st. glance caseback engravings looks legit. Despite poor pic, dial and insert look ok. Please ask seller for engravings between lugs and allow yourself some time for the real Tudor experts to chime in. Edit - Insert might be a later "service"? Last edited by Filipão; 2 June 2023 at 12:19 PM.. Reason: missing info

2 June 2023, 09:02 PM	#4
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,508	The caseback is service one. The original one had larger text and much closer to the outside of caseback. Nice patina on dial and H/s. Btw the original 76100 had a distinctive style T - SWISS - T just below the 6 triangle. Ps - So called non-lollipop (or mercedes) were fitted from day one of launch occasionally too btw... to bust an old myth :-) __________________ So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all, No they never taught us what was real, Iron and coke, chromium steel, And we're waiting here in Allentown.... ALLENTOWN - Billy Joel

2 June 2023, 10:08 PM	#6
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,508	Yes thanks - that is what I mean ✓ Nice Dial.and handset. __________________ So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all, No they never taught us what was real, Iron and coke, chromium steel, And we're waiting here in Allentown.... ALLENTOWN - Billy Joel

3 June 2023, 03:42 AM	#12
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,508	I suspect the ETA might be ok (or worst case a later version) they are cheap I bought one for £845 last month. However, seller not immediately showing north and south lug engravings though is a not good/positive sign (as mid-case is 35% of 76100 value @ circa £1700 -1900), as it is so, so easy to remove the end links and display...the service case back is no super-biggie (as no date stamped inside on 84/85 76100)..... but when one thing is off... I have found sometimes the adage 'no smoke without fire ' is apt. __________________ So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all, No they never taught us what was real, Iron and coke, chromium steel, And we're waiting here in Allentown.... ALLENTOWN - Billy Joel

2 June 2023, 10:20 PM	#7
Dom9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Real Name: Dom Location: Surrey, UK Watch: SD16600 & 9411 Posts: 304	As the others have said; service case back and insert, I'd say. Case looks pretty fat with some polishing. Any movement pics? Looks in very good condition and the patina is lovely. I don't know... does it look a bit too good? Potential re-lume dial and hands? Caveat; I am a 9411 not a 76100 man.

2 June 2023, 11:50 PM	#8
Cosmokramer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2023 Real Name: Mark Location: Canada Watch: Planet Ocean 2201 Posts: 25	I've asked for pics of the case between the lugs, inside of the caseback, and movement buy hasn't hear back yet. It's on Chrono24 in my home country so I'm hoping for a response soon.

3 June 2023, 12:09 AM	#9
Cosmokramer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2023 Real Name: Mark Location: Canada Watch: Planet Ocean 2201 Posts: 25	The seller states the reference number and serial match and says the are bold and pronounced but hasn't provided pictures to support. Seller has also said the caseback is "on too tight" to show pics of the movement. Should I walk away from this?

3 June 2023, 01:46 AM	#10
hutch300 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Jeff Location: PNW Posts: 1,308	I'd think a watchmaker would be able to help him. Is he a dealer or private individual?

3 June 2023, 03:24 AM	#11
Dom9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Real Name: Dom Location: Surrey, UK Watch: SD16600 & 9411 Posts: 304	"Caseback on too tight" is a red flag, in my opinion. Pics of the serial should be simple. It's a high value item; most people will want to see/check the movement is correct, so he'd be doing himself a favour by getting some help in getting that off.

4 June 2023, 04:39 AM	#16
Cosmokramer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2023 Real Name: Mark Location: Canada Watch: Planet Ocean 2201 Posts: 25	Thanks everyone for the feedback and help. Seller doesn't seem interested in helping a potential buyer get some pictures to identify the watch properly. Ive contacted them twice on chrono and ince on thier website and It seems this seller is not looking to answer questions or provide proper info on the watch. Maybe it's legit and a good buy but I'm just not experienced enough at this point to not have the info suggested by people in this thread. I'm walking away from this one.

4 June 2023, 04:44 AM	#17
Dom9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Real Name: Dom Location: Surrey, UK Watch: SD16600 & 9411 Posts: 304	Sounds like a good decision. Buy the seller and all that!

4 June 2023, 09:55 AM	#18
Filipão "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Filipe Location: Lisbon & Wadesdah Watch: Never too many Posts: 1,898	Unfortunately I too have encountered many (stupid) "pro" sellers uncooperative. Their loss! I looked for a decent 5513 WGS for a couple of months and ended up bumping into a stunning Tudor snowflake, just by chance. Keep on looking, you'll find the right one eventually. Don't rush!

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