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Old 3 June 2023, 01:01 AM   #1
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also. polished or not?

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Old 3 June 2023, 01:02 AM   #2
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Old 3 June 2023, 01:50 AM   #3
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hard to tell from that one photo, but if polished it's not been polished it was a light one (at least as to that one lug). Can you post some photos of the crown guards, and each lug (in profile)?
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Old 3 June 2023, 03:37 AM   #4
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Sorry can’t edit my post above. What I meant to say was “if polished, it was a light polish…”


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Old 3 June 2023, 05:12 AM   #5
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you must show a photo of the case....
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Old 3 June 2023, 05:59 AM   #6
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So far, I like what I see, but I'd also like to see the other lugs and crown guards. Actually the whole case.
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Old 3 June 2023, 03:53 PM   #7
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i ll make some more pics
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Old 3 June 2023, 04:47 PM   #8
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found one other lug
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Old 3 June 2023, 04:55 PM   #9
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you should show a photo of the complete case overwise any opinion will be misleading ....
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Old 3 June 2023, 05:26 PM   #10
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Old 3 June 2023, 10:05 PM   #11
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At this rate, we will be able to make a jigsaw puzzle of the watch by 2024.
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Old 3 June 2023, 11:01 PM   #12
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also. polished or not?

There are a couple things I’m inconclusive on so I won’t comment on them just yet until we get more pieces of the puzzle, but my instinct is to say recut/reshaped/refinished/whatever it’s being referred to as until I noticed these 2 marks which appear to me like marks from the springbar being pulled back towards the last link of bracelet in an attempt to keep the end links tight and/or in place. This is also assuming these are opposite lugs from the top or bottom and not 1 from the top and 1 from the bottom, but that could still make for the same case assuming the opposite lug has a similar mark.

If it was redone, why not fix those indentations?

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Old 3 June 2023, 11:31 PM   #13
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You should also post pics of the underside of the case and the inside of the lugs. From what I’ve read, an original case has a circular and uniform spin pattern across or underneath the case lugs from the manufacturing process that is lost or hard to replicate during refinishing. The inside of the original lugs have thin bevels or chamfers that are lost or rounded out during polishing. Experts (not me) can tell from a mile away if a case has been polished.
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Old 4 June 2023, 10:21 PM   #16
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The crown guards don't look so good.
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Old 4 June 2023, 10:41 PM   #17
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The watch has been serviced. This three dot triplock crown doesn’t belong with this 5513. Presumably then, it has been polished if you also look at the bottom of the lugs where the chamfers are rounded out and are no longer wide and crisp. The inside of the lugs too are missing the chamfers I mentioned earlier. It’s hard for me to tell from the brushing in the cases’s underside but the uneven and rounded crown guards are a give away. Since the lug holes don’t appear to have much distortion it was possible the case was refinished and what you now see is wear and tear from years of use. I still like this 5513.
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Old 4 June 2023, 10:50 PM   #18
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Compare your lugs above with a gorgeous 5513 posted in TRF recently and where most agree was unpolished.
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Old 5 June 2023, 10:55 PM   #19
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i’ve always considered it an early polish job also because of the triplock. thanks all.
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The watch has been serviced. This three dot triplock crown doesn’t belong with this 5513. Presumably then, it has been polished if you also look at the bottom of the lugs where the chamfers are rounded out and are no longer wide and crisp. The inside of the lugs too are missing the chamfers I mentioned earlier. It’s hard for me to tell from the brushing in the cases’s underside but the uneven and rounded crown guards are a give away. Since the lug holes don’t appear to have much distortion it was possible the case was refinished and what you now see is wear and tear from years of use. I still like this 5513.
It’s a nice piece, gilt hands probably replaced too at a service as I think they were gilt matching to dial in 66. The 5513 and identical 5512 (two lines applied afterwards) 66 Barts often have uneven lume application eg along the 6 hr marker and the sides of 12 triangle. It’s in good shape overall though. O.P. Lupus66 I’m Interested pls, does it lume up at all under uv like a ZiSu 5513 of 66/67 or just reflect back in white while uv is on. Ref polishing I’ll pass on any judgements though. Thanks.
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Old 6 June 2023, 12:04 AM   #21
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It’s a nice piece, gilt hands probably replaced too at a service as I think they were gilt matching to dial in 66. The 5513 and identical 5512 (two lines applied afterwards) 66 Barts often have uneven lume application eg along the 6 hr marker and the sides of 12 triangle. It’s in good shape overall though. O.P. Lupus66 I’m Interested pls, does it lume up at all under uv like a ZiSu 5513 of 66/67 or just reflect back in white while uv is on. Ref polishing I’ll pass on any judgements though. Thanks.
5513s weren’t using gilt hands in ‘66.
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Many thanks KF66. Just checked my notes and circa 1.1 million or c 64 gilt hands were about until ;-)
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i’ve always considered it an early polish job also because of the triplock. thanks all.
Yes, and the crown guards are a clearer give-away, IMHO. They've lost that squared-off look they would have had originally.
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Many thanks KF66. Just checked my notes and circa 1.1 million or c 64 gilt hands were about until ;-)
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