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JPCC · 8 April 2023, 05:03 PM

Hey all. For those who are “VIP” enough in the eyes of AP, which would you prefer to get first and why? The 15407st or 26574st? I assume both are similar in terms of difficulty to get.

Both would be absolute grails in any collection, and the pinnacle in AP RO collecting.

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ro1ex · 27 April 2023, 12:50 AM

I’d go for 26574 PC first, as gives a usable complication. Then I’d aim for the 15407st as the next piece.

Mbbgysam · 27 April 2023, 01:17 AM

I'll think you'll find this recent thread helpful: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=899242

messikens · 27 April 2023, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbbgysam

I'll think you'll find this recent thread helpful: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=899242

Just so happened by the same OP

Personally QP - more useful and easier to read

kb866 · 11 May 2023, 03:55 PM

26585CE. Openworked, QP and ceramic. Just my $0.02.

dmash · 9 June 2023, 12:57 AM

I absolutely love the openwork watches. However, from a ‘usefulness’ standpoint, the perpetual is way better. Whether that is a consideration for you is entirely a personal choice.

arbees319 · 9 June 2023, 01:01 AM

I much prefer the perp. It feels more special. The open is very cool and pretty but keep in mind it’s a time only watch at the end of the day.

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VogelPhoenix · 9 June 2023, 03:40 AM

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My wife does the same when she sees me taking wrist shots

Vince_76 · 9 June 2023, 04:24 AM

Openworked every day of the week for me. But it’s all personal preference of course.

Aesthetically the openworked is amazing to me. And I don’t see myself setting the perpetual calendar. Would love either though

Palex · 9 June 2023, 05:16 AM

[QUOTE=arbees319;12803813]I much prefer the perp. It feels more special. The open is very cool and pretty but keep in mind it’s a time only watch at the end of the day.

It is for a reason that AP has put the QP apart on their website under "exeptional pieces", I guess

mickyd329 · 9 June 2023, 04:08 PM

Openworked for me. QP is awesome and I thoroughly enjoy it, but I think the openworked is more special.

m3tek44 · 10 June 2023, 03:17 AM

Originally I was eyeing PC however after seeing Openwork I am 1000% for it. Now question is ST or RG. Does it really matter? :-)

GW44 · 10 June 2023, 09:04 AM

“Or”?!

Surely the only answer is both!

Such a shame the QP is so insanely expensive now (for us mortals) and that the Double Balanced Openworked looks, relatively, “value” as a consequence

Vince_76 · 10 June 2023, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GW44

“Or”?!

Surely the only answer is both!

Such a shame the QP is so insanely expensive now (for us mortals) and that the Double Balanced Openworked looks, relatively, “value” as a consequence

How much was the 15407ST when it was first released? Seems about $44k? Man those were the days

AEV · 10 June 2023, 02:05 PM

15407 but ideally both.

jts278 · 10 June 2023, 02:20 PM

For those going the boutique route, I believe the normal progression is QP first then openworked. YMMV, I personally love the QP look as I like the four subdials and also the complex function which is displayed in a thinner case than the three hander RO.

GW44 · 10 June 2023, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince_76

How much was the 15407ST when it was first released? Seems about $44k? Man those were the days

Yes, it was around £42k I think Vince. It’s now £63,700 here in the Uk

Horsin’ Around · 10 June 2023, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m3tek44

Originally I was eyeing PC however after seeing Openwork I am 1000% for it. Now question is ST or RG. Does it really matter? :-)

I think special watches are best in special materials as well. So I would go RG for openworked.

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AshAP · 11 June 2023, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GW44

Yes, it was around £42k I think Vince. It’s now £63,700 here in the Uk

It was around £30k when first released in the UK.

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AshAP · 11 June 2023, 07:07 AM

That was late 2017 so it may have been even cheaper

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grahammackay86 · 11 June 2023, 09:38 AM

Openworked all day long for me... although I appreciate the complications in the QP, the 15407 just looks more special.

SSCosmo · 11 June 2023, 01:39 PM

I have both in steel and while the 15407 is a beautiful watch and fun to look at, I wear the QP much, much more. I’m a sucker for complications though.

bensonvrs · 11 June 2023, 11:29 PM

Ap26715st

GW44 · 12 June 2023, 03:35 AM

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It was around £30k when first released in the UK.

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Wow. I had a late 2018/early 2019 price list but no idea it had ever been £30k Ash.

AshAP · 12 June 2023, 03:39 AM

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Wow. I had a late 2018/early 2019 price list but no idea it had ever been £30k Ash.

I actually think it was initially a bit less, like £27/28k.

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GW44 · 12 June 2023, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

I actually think it was initially a bit less, like £27/28k.

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Gulp

AshAP · 12 June 2023, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GW44

Gulp

I had to check back with an old friend, in late 2017 it was definitely £29,700 and then it jumped to £39,000 in 2018

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GW44 · 12 June 2023, 06:17 AM

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I had to check back with an old friend, in late 2017 it was definitely £29,700 and then it jumped to £39,000 in 2018

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That makes sense. Thanks for sharing that retrospective insight Ash…..and managing depress me at the same time!

Vince_76 · 12 June 2023, 06:25 AM

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That makes sense. Thanks for sharing that retrospective insight Ash…..and managing depress me at the same time!

ain’t that the truth

Palex · 14 June 2023, 04:05 AM

For now, I cannot think of a more beautiful watch. But as said: why not both? On to an openworked!

8 April 2023, 05:03 PM	#1
JPCC "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Earth Posts: 11	RO Openwork or Perpetual Calendar Hey all. For those who are “VIP” enough in the eyes of AP, which would you prefer to get first and why? The 15407st or 26574st? I assume both are similar in terms of difficulty to get. Both would be absolute grails in any collection, and the pinnacle in AP RO collecting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9 June 2023, 01:01 AM	#7
arbees319 2023 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: USA Posts: 814	RO Openwork or Perpetual Calendar I much prefer the perp. It feels more special. The open is very cool and pretty but keep in mind it’s a time only watch at the end of the day. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9 June 2023, 04:08 PM	#11
mickyd329 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Socal Watch: AP/PP/Rolex Posts: 1,491	Openworked for me. QP is awesome and I thoroughly enjoy it, but I think the openworked is more special. __________________ PP 5205G-013/ H.Moser 1200-0215 / AP 26574st QP/ AP 50th 16202st "Jumbo"/AP 15500st Black / AP ROO 26470 RG/AP 26331 ROC RG Blue/AP 26405CE ROO 44CE Anthracite/Rolex SS Blue Skydweller/Daytona C White/Rolex SS BLRO / Rolex Submariner Green Bezel/ Rolex Explorer II/ Rolex DJ Blue Dial

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27 April 2023, 12:50 AM	#2
ro1ex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UAE Watch: DS,DD,DJ,GMT,AP Posts: 89	I’d go for 26574 PC first, as gives a usable complication. Then I’d aim for the 15407st as the next piece.

27 April 2023, 01:17 AM	#3
Mbbgysam 2023 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA Posts: 996	I'll think you'll find this recent thread helpful: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=899242

11 May 2023, 03:55 PM	#5
kb866 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2023 Location: London and Taipei Watch: AP 15416CE Posts: 70	26585CE. Openworked, QP and ceramic. Just my $0.02.

9 June 2023, 12:57 AM	#6
dmash 2023 ROLEX EXPLORER 40 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA <> BKK Watch: Rolex ~ AP Posts: 5,872	I absolutely love the openwork watches. However, from a ‘usefulness’ standpoint, the perpetual is way better. Whether that is a consideration for you is entirely a personal choice.

9 June 2023, 04:24 AM	#9
Vince_76 2023 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: USA Posts: 1,251	Openworked every day of the week for me. But it’s all personal preference of course. Aesthetically the openworked is amazing to me. And I don’t see myself setting the perpetual calendar. Would love either though

9 June 2023, 05:16 AM	#10
Palex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: --- Posts: 359	[QUOTE=arbees319;12803813]I much prefer the perp. It feels more special. The open is very cool and pretty but keep in mind it’s a time only watch at the end of the day. It is for a reason that AP has put the QP apart on their website under "exeptional pieces", I guess

10 June 2023, 03:17 AM	#12
m3tek44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: this Posts: 1,107	Originally I was eyeing PC however after seeing Openwork I am 1000% for it. Now question is ST or RG. Does it really matter? :-)

10 June 2023, 09:04 AM	#13
GW44 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Gareth Location: Surrey, UK Watch: AP/Rolex Posts: 1,917	“Or”?! Surely the only answer is both! Such a shame the QP is so insanely expensive now (for us mortals) and that the Double Balanced Openworked looks, relatively, “value” as a consequence

10 June 2023, 02:05 PM	#15
AEV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Europe Watch: AP & Rolex Posts: 1,306	15407 but ideally both.

10 June 2023, 02:20 PM	#16
jts278 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: HK Posts: 108	For those going the boutique route, I believe the normal progression is QP first then openworked. YMMV, I personally love the QP look as I like the four subdials and also the complex function which is displayed in a thinner case than the three hander RO.

11 June 2023, 07:07 AM	#20
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,502	That was late 2017 so it may have been even cheaper Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 June 2023, 09:38 AM	#21
grahammackay86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Scotland Watch: AP/Rolex Posts: 192	Openworked all day long for me... although I appreciate the complications in the QP, the 15407 just looks more special.

11 June 2023, 01:39 PM	#22
SSCosmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Taipei Posts: 294	I have both in steel and while the 15407 is a beautiful watch and fun to look at, I wear the QP much, much more. I’m a sucker for complications though.

11 June 2023, 11:29 PM	#23
bensonvrs "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: HK Posts: 5	Ap26715st

14 June 2023, 04:05 AM	#30
Palex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: --- Posts: 359	For now, I cannot think of a more beautiful watch. But as said: why not both? On to an openworked!

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