Rolex 116610 real vs fake dial issue

[Leopard88]

Hello everybody, i have a question concernig submariner authenticity.
Im a happy owner of a 116610LN pre 2015 with a frosted clasp. Both mine, rolex website examples and the majority of genuine watches i have seen (LVs and LNs) have a proper spacing on the dial between 300 and m
looks like 300 m
all the fakes even the very best ones with cloned movements ive noticed that have it spelled more like 300m with much less spacing between
Now on chrono24 i have seen some dated 2013 and 2018 as full sets that appear ok with every other aspect but they have that narrow 300m spacing.
My question is where there any genuine dials like that or is it a dead giveaway of the watch being fake despite being a full set etc

[Leopard88]

Cant post links yet but i think youll get my point and i see that more often with 116610lvs

[ThatExplorer]

Found two photos that detail that.



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[Leopard88]

And is the second one genuine? Every fake i have seen was like that

[ThatExplorer]

No the second one is a fake. Top one is Gen. Bottom one is a high end replica ($500+) from what I gathered.


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[Leopard88]

In the bottom picture the outlines of the hour markers are also thicker, i would not be sure if it isnt a fake.
There is one clearly fake being sold on catawiki right now but i cant post links yet. Current price over 6000 euro but there is a pic with a genuine movement so either they photographed a different watch movement or it was swapped. Id doesnt have parachrom hairspring so it cant be 116610s movement

[Leopard88]

Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

No the second one is a fake. Top one is Gen. Bottom one is a high end replica ($500+) from what I gathered.


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But that doesnt mean every one like this is fake right? Look at 116610lv in chrono 24 there are dozens with such 300m writing

[SlideRacker]

Here's mine. Just got it a few days ago from a AD. I also noticed with the fake, the spacing between where the clasp meets the case isn't as tight and snug. You can see some daylight, whereas with the real one you can't.

[Leopard88]

Yours for sure is a gen the fake has a worse looking pearl, but the 300m variant seems way more rare and all the fakes are like that

[SlideRacker]

Originally Posted by Leopard88

Yours for sure is a gen the fake has a worse looking pearl, but the 300m variant seems way more rare and all the fakes are like that

For the fake, the numbers on the bezel have a thinner font style too.

[Leopard88]

Originally Posted by SlideRacker

For the fake, the numbers on the bezel have a thinner font style too.

For this one here but o have seen better ones

[GLADIATOR]

Rolex dial fonts do change, the likes of "ft" , "=" and fonts.
You need to ensure you are comparing same models and similar years.

Its the quality of the white print that is more likely to give it away on fakes.

[hbombkid]

I can assure you mine is real bought from an AD. I have the no space. Rolex has changed up dials before. I did blur out my SN.

[hbombkid]

Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

No the second one is a fake. Top one is Gen. Bottom one is a high end replica ($500+) from what I gathered.


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I know we normally do not give the secrets away, but would love to know your reasonings. I am nowhere even close to being an expert, but I cannot see one thing wrong with this one.

[Leopard88]

Originally Posted by hbombkid

I know we normally do not give the secrets away, but would love to know your reasonings. I am nowhere even close to being an expert, but I cannot see one thing wrong with this one.

Look at the thick lume outlines and pearl

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

No the second one is a fake. Top one is Gen. Bottom one is a high end replica ($500+) from what I gathered.


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Agreed

[zaydans]

I’ve seen fakes with a space between the 300 and m. That isn’t a reliable tell. That’s probably the easiest thing to replicate. On a sub date there are at least 3 or 4 other signs that are more reliable but not going to discuss them here for obvious reasons.

[lyktestolpe]

Mine is close, 300m. It was brand new from an AD in 2011. They tend to do minor changes to their watches sometimes, just like the spacing.

There is nothing wrong with your watch. Everything looks as expected.

[Bigblu10]

Dial fonts and spacing are not a legitimate tell tale sign of a fake. Rolex is known to change dial fonts without rhyme or reason and there are many examples here in images on the forum.

[tigey]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Dial fonts and spacing are not a legitimate tell tale sign of a fake. Rolex is known to change dial fonts without rhyme or reason and there are many examples here in images on the forum.

Exactly, look at the "whiteness" and crisp print of the Authentic dial. Look for quality printing.