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ttee · 13 April 2021, 03:34 AM

Hi everyone!

I am thinking to buy my first Patek (probably the last one). Is Calatrava is the right choice? I am thinking the buy a 5196 or a vintage Calatrava, I love the sub-dial, so I will not choose the one with date.

Can I have some advice whether I should choose a 5196 or a vintage Calatrava? Also, I like white gold and yellow gold, which one should I choose?

Thank you!

jon_jon · 13 April 2021, 03:39 AM

5196 is a great Calatrava, although it is a manual wind. You should go try it on at one of the dozen Patek ADs in HK and let us know if you like it or not.

ttee · 13 April 2021, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

5196 is a great Calatrava, although it is a manual wind. You should go try it on at one of the dozen Patek ADs in HK and let us know if you like it or not.

Will it be out of stock in the AD? Also, seems it will be cheaper in grey market.

CastorKrieg · 13 April 2021, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ttee

Will it be out of stock in the AD? Also, seems it will be cheaper in grey market.

Multiple ADs will definitely have it in stock, it is part of Patek legacy, but as everything that is not a steel sports watch nowadays it is not very popular. Same with the price being lower on the secondary market - not every reference gains value over time (in fact majority of them don't). From the current non-limited Calatrava line the only collectible will probably be 5196P.

jon_jon · 13 April 2021, 03:58 AM

I am sure a grey selller in HK will have one for you to try on before you make a decision.

2nastie · 13 April 2021, 05:00 AM

The 5196 is a good choice. Or the new 6119 seems like it is going to be popular both aesthetically and mechanically with the new manual wind movement.

You might eventually see an update to the 5196 next year with that movement (or something similar).

azizu · 13 April 2021, 08:16 AM

Today you got two new references, gorgeous and in modern size. have a look at them
https://www.patek.com/en/company/new...fs-6119r-6119g
i really love the Rose gold piece

ttee · 13 April 2021, 09:55 AM

I saw the 6119G and the black dial is nice. But I don’t like the hobnail bezel.

Chute · 14 April 2021, 04:13 AM

I would look for a 5196. It’s a dress watch so the manual wind is cool with me since it will be rarely worn. If 37mm seems small for you the 5196G looks bigger since it’s all dial. The 5196R is beautiful as well and shares the same brushed dial as the 5196G. The dial on the 5196J is different from those two.

MoosicPa · 14 April 2021, 04:59 AM

The 5196P is awesome, as is the 5196G

044 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

ragsk · 14 April 2021, 06:51 AM

No one a fan of the 6119R here?

azizu · 14 April 2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ragsk

No one a fan of the 6119R here?

i actually like the rose gold more than the white gold. for dress watches yellow/rose metal looks nice

GB-man · 14 April 2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ragsk

No one a fan of the 6119R here?

I’d consider it perfectly executed but a watch very few want sadly. The RG in particular is virtually flawless execution. I’m just happy to see them making a new movement for the line and not shying from manual wind.

Benzsiam · 14 April 2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ragsk

No one a fan of the 6119R here?

Oh yes, I like the new 6119R, it looks gorgeous, the hobnail bezel makes the watch looks vintage style too.

djona · 14 April 2021, 12:29 PM

I considered the 5196R, 5196G, and 5196P. I agree with the poster above in that the 5196P will probably be the most collectible 5196. The Breguet numerals look just like those on the stainless 570, and the dial is stunning, but perhaps a little busy. I ultimately chose the 5196G for its simplicity.

thatssosick · 14 April 2021, 04:06 PM

I would also suggest looking at some of the discontinued models, there's a few gems there. I recently picked up a 5127G and I love the softer curved case and crown guards.

David001 · 14 April 2021, 07:49 PM

I have a 5196j and I'm very happy with it, classic style and perfect size. I think it's the embodiment of PP.

It does get noticed a lot though because of the yellow gold and if I were choosing again today I would take the G (white gold) rather than the J (yellow gold). The white gold has all the classic lines and beautiful looks, but it's more understated.

I had the G, J and R in front of me to choose from and the J just pipped it.
I gather that the G is a bit harder to come by these days.

ttee · 15 April 2021, 03:52 AM

Seems most of you guys think RG or YG would be better than WG. But as a dress watch, I think WG or YG would be better.

13 April 2021, 03:34 AM	#1
ttee "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: HK Posts: 116	Thinking to buy a Calatrava Hi everyone! I am thinking to buy my first Patek (probably the last one). Is Calatrava is the right choice? I am thinking the buy a 5196 or a vintage Calatrava, I love the sub-dial, so I will not choose the one with date. Can I have some advice whether I should choose a 5196 or a vintage Calatrava? Also, I like white gold and yellow gold, which one should I choose? Thank you!

13 April 2021, 08:16 AM	#7
azizu "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Saudi Arabia Watch: Patek 3700/11AJ Posts: 717	Today you got two new references, gorgeous and in modern size. have a look at them https://www.patek.com/en/company/new...fs-6119r-6119g i really love the Rose gold piece __________________ Current Collection: PP 3700/11AJ, PP 5170G, PP 5320G, PP 5712/1A, APRO 15500, Rolex 116234, Rolex GMT Master2 BLNR, Omega SMP, Baume & Mercier M0A10280

14 April 2021, 04:59 AM	#10
MoosicPa "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Don Location: Moosic PA Watch: King Midas & Subma Posts: 1,157	The 5196P is awesome, as is the 5196G 044 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/] __________________ NAWCC Member "Nothing is to too beautiful, nothing is too expensive" Ettore Bugatti.

13 April 2021, 03:39 AM	#2
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	5196 is a great Calatrava, although it is a manual wind. You should go try it on at one of the dozen Patek ADs in HK and let us know if you like it or not.

13 April 2021, 03:58 AM	#5
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	I am sure a grey selller in HK will have one for you to try on before you make a decision.

13 April 2021, 05:00 AM	#6
2nastie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: YVR Watch: Time Only Posts: 2,332	The 5196 is a good choice. Or the new 6119 seems like it is going to be popular both aesthetically and mechanically with the new manual wind movement. You might eventually see an update to the 5196 next year with that movement (or something similar).

13 April 2021, 09:55 AM	#8
ttee "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: HK Posts: 116	I saw the 6119G and the black dial is nice. But I don’t like the hobnail bezel.

14 April 2021, 04:13 AM	#9
Chute "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Chris Location: Austin Watch: 6 digit Rolex+APRO Posts: 1,536	I would look for a 5196. It’s a dress watch so the manual wind is cool with me since it will be rarely worn. If 37mm seems small for you the 5196G looks bigger since it’s all dial. The 5196R is beautiful as well and shares the same brushed dial as the 5196G. The dial on the 5196J is different from those two.

14 April 2021, 06:51 AM	#11
ragsk Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: USA Posts: 1,505	No one a fan of the 6119R here?

14 April 2021, 12:29 PM	#15
djona "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: USA Watch: N/A Posts: 457	I considered the 5196R, 5196G, and 5196P. I agree with the poster above in that the 5196P will probably be the most collectible 5196. The Breguet numerals look just like those on the stainless 570, and the dial is stunning, but perhaps a little busy. I ultimately chose the 5196G for its simplicity.

14 April 2021, 04:06 PM	#16
thatssosick "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: HK Posts: 10	I would also suggest looking at some of the discontinued models, there's a few gems there. I recently picked up a 5127G and I love the softer curved case and crown guards.

14 April 2021, 07:49 PM	#17
David001 Banned Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: UK Posts: 538	I have a 5196j and I'm very happy with it, classic style and perfect size. I think it's the embodiment of PP. It does get noticed a lot though because of the yellow gold and if I were choosing again today I would take the G (white gold) rather than the J (yellow gold). The white gold has all the classic lines and beautiful looks, but it's more understated. I had the G, J and R in front of me to choose from and the J just pipped it. I gather that the G is a bit harder to come by these days.

15 April 2021, 03:52 AM	#18
ttee "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: HK Posts: 116	Seems most of you guys think RG or YG would be better than WG. But as a dress watch, I think WG or YG would be better.

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