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Old 24 November 2023, 11:17 AM   #61
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Soon..says my AD.

Soonsays MY AD three years ago. Lol


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Old 24 November 2023, 11:21 AM   #62
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Anyone know if the bracelet is 20 or 21mm?


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Old 24 November 2023, 11:26 AM   #63
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Most on here like the 11 series better than 12 series. Does this mean that most wont put their name down for one?


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Old 24 November 2023, 11:29 AM   #64
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Most on here like the 11 series better than 12 series. Does this mean that most wont put their name down for one?


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Same thing happened with the Batgirl when it came out. I remember there was a poll that was like 80% for the old model. People were saying the jubilee looked feminine and the movement was not reliable.

Are those easy to get now?


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Old 24 November 2023, 02:57 PM   #65
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Most on here like the 11 series better than 12 series. Does this mean that most wont put their name down for one?


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I prefer the 11 series and have both the 116500 in both black and white. I just picked up a 126515 sundust and will be getting the 126500 in both black and white.
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Old 24 November 2023, 03:15 PM   #66
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20mm

Thank you. Was hoping for 21mm with the new lugs. I love the sub 41 bracelet with the new case.


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Old 24 November 2023, 05:11 PM   #67
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Absolutely

There is no "maxi"or "supercase" here. Just symmetry.

The unbalanced lugs really put me off.

WTAF were Rolex thinking here



I love my 116500 and the asymmetrical lugs do not both me one bit.

That said, looking at the above picture showing the watch from the rear, it looks so odd and unbalanced. Thankfully I have no reason to look at my Daytona from the rear and front on I dont see the watch lugs as being significantly different.

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Old 24 November 2023, 06:01 PM   #68
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I love my 116500 and the asymmetrical lugs do not both me one bit.

That said, looking at the above picture showing the watch from the rear, it looks so odd and unbalanced. Thankfully I have no reason to look at my Daytona from the rear and front on I dont see the watch lugs as being significantly different.

Each to our own I guess


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totally agree with you, rolex tried real hard to achieve balance and esthetic on the 116500 daytona. I think we should appreciate it.
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Old 24 November 2023, 06:10 PM   #69
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I am a bit torn. I have been waiting to pull the trigger on the black dial for a while now, and was waiting until the price got into reasonable territory. With the new iteration, I haven't seen a side-by-side comparison of these two particular versions yet but from my understanding, the black version looks better on this new iteration and wears bigger?

Has anyone got anything to add? I own the older reference Panda and while I enjoy it, I have always found it wears smaller than any of my other watches and I don't have particularly big wrists so a 'bigger' looking 40MM would automatically appeal to me.
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Old 24 November 2023, 06:25 PM   #70
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I am a bit torn. I have been waiting to pull the trigger on the black dial for a while now, and was waiting until the price got into reasonable territory. With the new iteration, I haven't seen a side-by-side comparison of these two particular versions yet but from my understanding, the black version looks better on this new iteration and wears bigger?

Has anyone got anything to add? I own the older reference Panda and while I enjoy it, I have always found it wears smaller than any of my other watches and I don't have particularly big wrists so a 'bigger' looking 40MM would automatically appeal to me.

A couple people on TRF say the black version looks better, but that is purely subjective, and without merit. I think the white version looks better, IMHO. I also like the bigger size of the newer generation, too.


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Old 24 November 2023, 06:46 PM   #71
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A couple people on TRF say the black version looks better, but that is purely subjective, and without merit. I think the white version looks better, IMHO. I also like the bigger size of the newer generation, too.


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Cheers!

just analysing some of the photos I've seen, it does look very chunky (the new iteration) and gives me Speedmaster vibes.
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Old 24 November 2023, 07:32 PM   #72
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I am a bit torn. I have been waiting to pull the trigger on the black dial for a while now, and was waiting until the price got into reasonable territory. With the new iteration, I haven't seen a side-by-side comparison of these two particular versions yet but from my understanding, the black version looks better on this new iteration and wears bigger?

Has anyone got anything to add? I own the older reference Panda and while I enjoy it, I have always found it wears smaller than any of my other watches and I don't have particularly big wrists so a 'bigger' looking 40MM would automatically appeal to me.
I think there are a general concensus from pictures and measurements and experience with PM Daytona's that the new 126500 should wear bigger - more like a true 40mm.

I am one of those that prefer the black in the new version, however, that is my personal preference - if you think the white looks better, I would absolutely go with white. All of this is purely subjective, and there are no right or wrong answers.

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Cheers!

just analysing some of the photos I've seen, it does look very chunky (the new iteration) and gives me Speedmaster vibes.
I get the same feeling, but one thing is pictures another thing is on the wrist - when you try it on it may be exactly what you have been looking for with its bigger size.

EDIT: And the Speedmaster is a great watch for what it is worth :)
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Old 24 November 2023, 08:23 PM   #73
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I think there are a general concensus from pictures and measurements and experience with PM Daytona's that the new 126500 should wear bigger - more like a true 40mm.

I am one of those that prefer the black in the new version, however, that is my personal preference - if you think the white looks better, I would absolutely go with white. All of this is purely subjective, and there are no right or wrong answers.



I get the same feeling, but one thing is pictures another thing is on the wrist - when you try it on it may be exactly what you have been looking for with its bigger size.

EDIT: And the Speedmaster is a great watch for what it is worth :)

Exactly my thoughts
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Old 24 November 2023, 08:30 PM   #74
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Most on here like the 11 series better than 12 series. Does this mean that most wont put their name down for one?


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I have the old white 116500, and will put my name for new steel black. I prefer the white gold black dial over the steel black, but won't say no if offered the steel black. My opinion is the Panda 116500 is the iconic Daytona in the ceramic era, and any collector should get that first then it's only gold Daytona from there on.
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Old 24 November 2023, 10:16 PM   #75
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It seems we’ve drifted away from OP’s original query of just wanting to know if anyone has seen the 126500 at an AD (lol) …
so here’s some more …
PS … The green circle is the same size as the Metal Ring of the 126500 … so, you can see the size difference of the 2 watches … 38.88mm to 39.88mm





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Thanks for this. I love (and own) the 116500LN, don’t get me wrong. I personally just find it hard to unsee the asymmetric lugs, the “step” between end link and lugs, and the fat “boat” indices. I think the 12 is an improvement here.

Others will disagree. That’s why I love this hobby.
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Old 24 November 2023, 11:35 PM   #76
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Thank you. Was hoping for 21mm with the new lugs. I love the sub 41 bracelet with the new case.


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The new SS case is effectively the old (1mm larger) PM (except 116508) case.

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Old 24 November 2023, 11:45 PM   #77
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It seems weve drifted away from OPs original query of just wanting to know if anyone has seen the 126500 at an AD (lol)
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PS The green circle is the same size as the Metal Ring of the 126500 so, you can see the size difference of the 2 watches 38.88mm to 39.88mm





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Unfortunately your two images are not to scale - the 12 series render is larger than the 11 series render. I've just overlaid the 11 on the 12 in photoshop which confirms that.

The 1mm increase is mostly made up by the right hand lugs on the 12 being thicker, not the bezel being larger.
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Old 25 November 2023, 04:25 AM   #78
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Unfortunately your two images are not to scale - the 12 series render is larger than the 11 series render. I've just overlaid the 11 on the 12 in photoshop which confirms that.

The 1mm increase is mostly made up by the right hand lugs on the 12 being thicker, not the bezel being larger.
But isnt the 38.88mm measurement and 39.88mm measurement the measurement of the Bezel width, not the watch width ?

Noting, I borrowed those pictures, and those measurements from some review I read, with no explanation of their measurements.

I have been waiting / hoping someone will put the calipers on these two watches side by side, and definitively let us all know what ALL the real changes are.
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Old 25 November 2023, 04:32 AM   #79
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totally agree with you, rolex tried real hard to achieve balance and esthetic on the 116500 daytona. I think we should appreciate it.
Hmmmmm... I'm not convinced TBH, as various other versions around at the same time as the SS 116500 (i.e. the WG, RG, Pt, and all versions on the OF) all had symmetrical lugs. So if Rolex worked hard to achieve balance and aesthetics on the 116500, it would mean they didn't give a damn about balance and aesthetics on the WG, RG, etc, etc...

I think we just chalk up the inconsistently asymmetric lugs on some of the 11 series Daytonas as a weird design oddity, rightfully now consigned to history.
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Old 25 November 2023, 04:55 AM   #80
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Hmmmmm... I'm not convinced TBH, as various other versions around at the same time as the SS 116500 the WG, RG, Pt, and all versions on the OF) all had symmetrical lugs. So if Rolex worked hard to achieve balance and aesthetics on the 116500, it would mean they didn't give a damn about balance and aesthetics on the WG, RG, etc, etc...

I think we just chalk up the inconsistently asymmetric lugs on some of the 11 series Daytonas as a weird design oddity, rightfully now consigned to history.
I think the case material(gold or steel) and type of bracelet(metal or rubber) create different visual effects, which contributed to how rolex design the lugs.
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Old 25 November 2023, 06:53 AM   #81
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But isnt the 38.88mm measurement and 39.88mm measurement the measurement of the Bezel width, not the watch width ?

Noting, I borrowed those pictures, and those measurements from some review I read, with no explanation of their measurements.

I have been waiting / hoping someone will put the calipers on these two watches side by side, and definitively let us all know what ALL the real changes are.

Ahhh. No. The measurements are case width. Not bezel width.


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Old 25 November 2023, 06:56 AM   #82
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I prefer the 11 series and have both the 116500 in both black and white. I just picked up a 126515 sundust and will be getting the 126500 in both black and white.
Me too. Prefer the 116 series but name down for the Le Mans and 126500.
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Old 25 November 2023, 06:58 AM   #83
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Old 25 November 2023, 08:18 AM   #84
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Im only a customer, with no experience in this, but from what Ive seen in reviews, the measurement of the watch is the measured bezel width.

Im sure there is a lug to lug measurement also, but my read is that 38.88, 39.88, 40.3 (pictured below) is a measurement of the watch bezel width obviously, lug to lug is going to be greater.

When Rolex is stating 40mm they are referencing the bezel width I think.

I suspect when reviewers are saying the 11 Series Daytona is 38.88mm and the 12 Series Daytona is 39.88mm, they are using this same measurement bezel width.

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Old 25 November 2023, 08:20 AM   #85
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Old 25 November 2023, 01:34 PM   #86
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Im only a customer, with no experience in this, but from what Ive seen in reviews, the measurement of the watch is the measured bezel width.

Im sure there is a lug to lug measurement also, but my read is that 38.88, 39.88, 40.3 (pictured below) is a measurement of the watch bezel width obviously, lug to lug is going to be greater.

When Rolex is stating 40mm they are referencing the bezel width I think.

I suspect when reviewers are saying the 11 Series Daytona is 38.88mm and the 12 Series Daytona is 39.88mm, they are using this same measurement bezel width.

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This is why you have to take the reviews with a pinch of salt.

38.88 mm is case width, as is 39.88 mm

Not bezel width.

My 116509 is has a case width of just under 40mm.


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I have the old white 116500, and will put my name for new steel black. I prefer the white gold black dial over the steel black, but won't say no if offered the steel black. My opinion is the Panda 116500 is the iconic Daytona in the ceramic era, and any collector should get that first then it's only gold Daytona from there on.
Agree. My old SS ceramic Daytona has such a good feel on the wrist. I welcome the smallness in size that wears large in presence. Bigger is not always better. It’s like a standard nautilus. Its appeal is it’s low profile sleakness like the old case ceramic Daytonas. We’ll see how the new ones feel on the wrist. I have a white gold steel panda OF so I have the best of both worlds. The classic steel case and the bigger new design in white gold.
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