Green Submariner

[ayoung57]

I purchased this green sub, the bracelet has the "tin can" type feel to it, but it looks like the markings, etc. are legitimate. Then I noticed on the inside of the bezel (inside the case), there is no rolex markings, just silver/stainless which threw up a flag. The second hand has the Rolex sweeping movement.

Can you help me determine if I need to send this back? Is it real?IMG_4212.jpg

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[GinzoMatic]

need higher res shots of the face

but from the shots you uploaded... i'd say it's a fugazie

[mjclark32]

Fake.

[Thathorologist]

Send it back to the nearest garbage can ...

[tng11]

Fake and a terrible one at that. Get your money back, or if you paid $50 for this expecting a real Sub, then the nearest trash can is the right place.

[ayoung57]

Ouch...that hurts. Can you tell me what the telltale signs are?

[tng11]

Originally Posted by ayoung57

Ouch...that hurts. Can you tell me what the telltale signs are?

The puke green dial. Rolex never made anything like this.

[Lordofrolex]

Fake

[ancientmariner]

What model sub did you think you were buying?

[ayoung57]

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IMG_4215.JPG10-4. This is really helpful. I've included a few more close ups of the face. Any chance the dial is after market, but other parts of the watch are authentic? Or is the whole thing trash?

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by ayoung57

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Attachment 90552810-4. This is really helpful. I've included a few more close ups of the face. Any chance the dial is after market, but other parts of the watch are authentic? Or is the whole thing trash?

No.

[hulkmonkey]

Huge piece of trash. Sorry buddy. Hopefully it was only a couple hundred bucks at worst


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[ayoung57]

No, meaning the whole thing is garbage?

[ayoung57]

Ugh. Thanks.

[afnios1]

special edition for Panathinaikos team

[Bigblu10]

Just for kicks unscrew the case back and take a few pics. Curious to see what's in there. Take a piece of duct tape make a loose ball out of it and stick it to the back cover and unscrew it. At best a bad Franken, at worst 100% junk.

[Thathorologist]

"Ouch... That Hurts." ??!! How fake of you to say that lol. I don't think it hurt you in any way you already knew it was a fake you just wanted to how fake it was and if you can use any of the other parts to pass as genuine... If It hurt you'd be asking our advice and help to help you get your couple thousand dollars back but clearly you paid $20 on Canal Street lol

[Al1969]

Not looking good.

[JTL31]

Smh! What did you pay? Better yet, what did you hope to charge some naive buyer??

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Just for kicks unscrew the case back and take a few pics. Curious to see what's in there. Take a piece of duct tape make a loose ball out of it and stick it to the back cover and unscrew it. At best a bad Franken, at worst 100% junk.

Its fake. Not much more needed here
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[jrs146]

Originally Posted by JTL31

Smh! What did you pay? Better yet, what did you hope to charge some naive buyer??

My $ is on this


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[CBG1]

Originally Posted by jrs146

My $ is on this

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+1 agreed!
There seems to be a trend, from what I can tell only based on a few threads I've read, there are some (now banned) folks with <10 postings coming on to check and verify their recent work or replica work by passing off as something they "bought", and asking for verification.

(fwiw, I realize as of this post, I too have 'few' postings ... at least I registered quite a while ago! ... and since this post will be in history, I'm just becoming active again because the plans / desire for another acquisition (116610LV, just like everyone else...) to double the size of my collection (e.g. current is n=1) is developing and I'm trying to read / research / get caught up.

I just read this thread https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=461051 ... I'm thoroughly confused, spooked, and fascinated all at once!!

[usling15]

Do you think someone took a multi-thousand dollar watch & put a $2.00
ugly fake dial ??

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by CBG1

+1 agreed!
There seems to be a trend, from what I can tell only based on a few threads I've read, there are some (now banned) folks with <10 postings coming on to check and verify their recent work or replica work by passing off as something they "bought", and asking for verification.



I just read this thread https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=461051 ... I'm thoroughly confused, spooked, and fascinated all at once!!

Thats exactly why we dont go into detail here!

[matthewbell]

Originally Posted by CBG1

+1 agreed!
There seems to be a trend, from what I can tell only based on a few threads I've read, there are some (now banned) folks with <10 postings coming on to check and verify their recent work or replica work by passing off as something they "bought", and asking for verification.

Is it possible for the Mods to simply delete these threads? It seems completely obvious to me that these guys are shit bags trying to get feedback on their fakes in order to then go and sell to some poor schmuck... I mean, who on earth buys a what they believe is a genuine Rolex THEN asks someone if it's fake?!

[freefly]

Wow, some seriously bad (and potentially expensive) info/advice in this thread, IMO.

OP: Do NOT "throw it in the trash" as suggested by some here.
The folks proclaiming this as 100% fake really need to pump the brakes a bit with their definitive proclamations (and "knowledge"), IMO.

Yes, it is obviously not an original 16610LV. The dial and bezel insert are clearly fake, and it's an older lug-hole Sub.

However, apart from that, the pics I am seeing are not even remotely good enough to judge the authenticity of rest.
Could it be a complete fake? Possibly. Really though, besides the dial and insert, nothing jumps out as "fake" to me.
Again, the pics aren't good enough to make that determination, IMO.

Further, it is very common to see 5-digit Subs franken'd into LV clones with dial & bezel insert swaps.
Tons of genuine Subs out there with green junk dials/inserts to make them look like LVs on the secondary market.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by usling15

Do you think someone took a multi-thousand dollar watch & put a $2.00
ugly fake dial ??

It happens every day. Just peruse eBay for green Subs and you'll likely see plenty. In fact, there are grey-market sellers/dealers that make doing so their entire business model/focus.
They will buy clapped out older Subs and install junk dials and bezel inserts, give them a quick polish, and re-sell. Then they will sell the genuine dials and bezel inserts as an addiotnal revenue stream.

Typically the frankens will be blue dials with blue bezel inserts (to mimic a Smurf Sub), or green dials with green bezel inserts (to mimic an LV Sub).
You will see numerous 16613 Subs with fake Serti dials out there as well. People get duped all the time, but the "less shady" sellers will at least disclose the aftermarket parts (even if it is in the fine print).

[yannis]

Originally Posted by tng11

The puke green dial.

[Onikage]

It's more snot green, could be my colour settings though. Lovely!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by matthewbell

Is it possible for the Mods to simply delete these threads? It seems completely obvious to me that these guys are shit bags trying to get feedback on their fakes in order to then go and sell to some poor schmuck... I mean, who on earth buys a what they believe is a genuine Rolex THEN asks someone if it's fake?!

You may be correct but you could be wrong.

Either way I put this classy post and advice in the same box as your other recommendations.