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Old 20 August 2019, 02:06 AM   #121
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All this art stuff is great but to get back on topic guys.

I think the crash is not far away. I just checked, and one crazy UK grey dealer is currently slashing prices in a flash sale. The other stupid UK greys are still raising prices on steel 5711 and 5167 if you can believe that, but when they realise the competition are offering such massive discounts, they are bound to join in the fire sale to liquidate all stock of Patek SS sports models. Some current bargains are:

2019 5711/1a blue “new” now only, £73,020
2016 5711/1a blue in v/good condition price crash £60,110 saving £3,7360

2019 5167/a “new” now only £40370 that’s saving a massive £2,290
2018 5167/a in v/good condition only £33,570

All B&P, grab em quick, at these crazy “low low prices” they won’t be around for long, your welcome everyone.
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:09 AM   #122
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I think there are 2 segments of the watch market:

1) Those that see watches as a luxury item and can appreciate the finer things.
i) Category I - Those that want to show off
ii) Category II - Those that want the right kind of appreciation (from others and financially)

2) WIS

The Nautilus appeals to all the above due to iconic design, wearability, relative scarcity. The dress watches especially the grand complications appeal to the latter category. There is also the matter of price practicality - what is the best "value" under $100k? I think we can all agree that there are plenty of options under $10k and under $20k especially for steel sports watches and there are plenty of complicated dress watches over $20k. Breguet is an example of amazing watchmaking at a fraction of a Patek.

I once was soaked in the rain wearing my 3970J and all I could worry about was whether it was ruined or would fog up. The same thing happened with a 3700 and it DID fog up but a bag of rice and a quick trip to a watchmaker saved the day. Perhaps many of you rock a 5131P/J/R daily, I only wore my 3970 and now 5170P to work. I would take it off especially during hotter days since no one wants a greasy leather strap and god forbid you get soaked in the rain.

I have tried many watches, Journes, Pateks, APs, Grand Seikos, Rolexes, but I still come back to the Nautilus as the perfect watch for my lifestyle (In 30s, white collar, comfortable but cannot consider myself wealthy). I was drawn to it the moment I saw it but ended up going with a basic 16610 sub.

For those that worry about bubbles, I think a classic 5711 blue and for me a 3712 in the long-term are solid pieces. Yes so what if it drops another $20k? I didn't sell at $70k and I don't regret it :)

I’ve realized getting a RM is perfect for my life style
I still love my 12 :)

I think I’m a little of all of what u describes.
The RM says FU...well I don’t have it yet so no FU watch yet.
while the 5712 says I still have taste
My p-01 and seiko’s will say WIS
Rolex for when I want to fit in...
AP for when I’m bored and looking for a layover.
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:13 AM   #123
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I’ve realized getting a RM is perfect for my life style
I still love my 12 :)

I think I’m a little of all of what u describes.
The RM says FU...well I don’t have it yet so no FU watch yet.
while the 5712 says I still have taste
My p-01 and seiko’s will say WIS
Rolex for when I want to fit in...
AP for when I’m bored and looking for a layover.
RM culd be a F/Off, as you don't have it yet.
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:17 AM   #124
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RM culd be a F/Off, as you don't have it yet.


No his daughter does
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:20 AM   #125
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No his daughter does
Lol... price of admission.
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:23 AM   #126
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Lol... price of admission.


Maybe bonsai man, has never bought new and UN BROKEN

Bonsai man I'm teasing, god I hope yiur small like bonsai trees 😂

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Old 20 August 2019, 02:26 AM   #127
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skill check, creative non-check, imagination totally non-check with such a piece reproduced many times. or can you think of leonardo or picasso redoing his paintings thousand times?
don't get me wrong, the people who do it are surely highly skilled in their handcraft and could possibly do artistic work of their own. what they do for patek is very skilled reproductive handcraft though, enjoyable for those who like it but without artistic depth.
if, however, you feel better thinking you wear a piece on the forefront of art on your wrist, then go on and enjoy:::)))
I’m certainly not under any illusion that i’m wearing a piece on the forefront of art on my wrist.

I wouldn’t ever compare a cloisonné dial to a Leonardo or Picasso or for that matter any great work of art for many many reasons. But don’t forget many artists are extremely formulaic producing the same basic painting over and over and of course historically many of the great artists had schools working on painting after painting reproducing the great artists work - are these formulaic painters and schools not still producing art - no imagination but just a great level of skill!
Whilst I hesitate to call it art, Patek, Lange and others have deliberately designed pieces using movements that are aesthetically more pleasing when a better but less pleasing solution exists - for example a lateral clutch chrono is a beauty to behold but certainly less efficient than a vertical clutch - they are produced purely for their visual merit.
As they say, art is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:28 AM   #128
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All this art stuff is great but to get back on topic guys.

I think the crash is not far away. I just checked, and one crazy UK grey dealer is currently slashing prices in a flash sale. The other stupid UK greys are still raising prices on steel 5711 and 5167 if you can believe that, but when they realise the competition are offering such massive discounts, they are bound to join in the fire sale to liquidate all stock of Patek SS sports models. Some current bargains are:

2019 5711/1a blue “new” now only, £73,020
2016 5711/1a blue in v/good condition price crash £60,110 saving £3,7360

2019 5167/a “new” now only £40370 that’s saving a massive £2,290
2018 5167/a in v/good condition only £33,570

All B&P, grab em quick, at these crazy “low low prices” they won’t be around for long, your welcome everyone.


Oh knoe! My Nauti Pantis are in a bind!

I am chilling at work today immensely enjoying my 3712a. Oh there’s a Nautilus that was made only for 1 year that may or may not be impervious to the bubble?! Oh yes :)




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Old 20 August 2019, 02:32 AM   #129
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I'll change the topic to another I'm considering.

Buy GE? Anyone see the Company's response to the fraud report? I'm a CPA and it makes sense (Actuarial assumptions, accounting, and cash flow).
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:33 AM   #130
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I'll change the topic to another I'm considering.

Buy GE? Anyone see the Company's response to the fraud report? I'm a CPA and it makes sense (Actuarial assumptions, accounting, and cash flow).
I saw it...
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:38 AM   #131
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And....? :)
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:51 AM   #132
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And....? :)
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Old 20 August 2019, 03:09 AM   #133
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On April 13, 2010, a print of this image made by Weston in year it was taken sold for $1,082,500 at an auction in New York. As of January, 2013, it was the fourteenth most expensive photograph ever sold. Weston originally sold it for $10.




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Old 20 August 2019, 03:18 AM   #134
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On April 13, 2010, a print of this image made by Weston in year it was taken sold for $1,082,500 at an auction in New York. As of January, 2013, it was the fourteenth most expensive photograph ever sold. Weston originally sold it for $10.




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Kind of looks like something else
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Old 20 August 2019, 03:18 AM   #135
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Since this isn’t a watch forum any longer I thought I’d post a picture of a seashell.
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Old 20 August 2019, 03:36 AM   #136
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Since this isn’t a watch forum any longer I thought I’d post a picture of a seashell.
Lol, sorry my bad.
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Since this isn’t a watch forum any longer I thought I’d post a picture of a seashell.
I thought it was something else
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Old 20 August 2019, 03:55 AM   #138
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the statue of david is a supreme expression of art, because it allows to see the human body in a very very distinct way. have you ever looked at the facial expression and the anatomic detail in it? all that done in a period where the naked human body was considered evil and sinful. just think of its social implications, in a period where religion dominated europe..
as far as your observations in modern art museums go, there is good art and bad art, but what has that got to do with reproductive interpretations of a partial world map with predefined outcome?
Are the beads art
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Old 20 August 2019, 03:57 AM   #139
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Are the beads art

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Old 20 August 2019, 04:23 AM   #140
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I thought it was something else


That’s def not watch porn


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I'm distracting myself with AP Offshores while the "bubble" correction situation resolves itself up or down. It will be November/Dec soon and let's see what really happens when it comes time to pull out the Holiday walletz :D
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Old 20 August 2019, 06:33 AM   #142
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I'm distracting myself with AP Offshores while the "bubble" correction situation resolves itself up or down. It will be November/Dec soon and let's see what really happens when it comes time to pull out the Holiday walletz :D
Bold move unless it's Ltd, and even then bold. Or pre owned
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Old 20 August 2019, 07:39 AM   #143
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Russell, is it weird that of your entire set of photos that you posted, the one I'm most intrigued by is your UN?

I love highly complex astronomical watches. Need to see more of those out there

I've been wanting to pick up the trilogy set of that.
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Old 20 August 2019, 07:54 AM   #144
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Russell, is it weird that of your entire set of photos that you posted, the one I'm most intrigued by is your UN?

I love highly complex astronomical watches. Need to see more of those out there

I've been wanting to pick up the trilogy set of that.
Haha. Well no not really. It is by some margin my most complex piece.
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I’m certainly not under any illusion that i’m wearing a piece on the forefront of art on my wrist.

I wouldn’t ever compare a cloisonné dial to a Leonardo or Picasso or for that matter any great work of art for many many reasons. But don’t forget many artists are extremely formulaic producing the same basic painting over and over and of course historically many of the great artists had schools working on painting after painting reproducing the great artists work - are these formulaic painters and schools not still producing art - no imagination but just a great level of skill!
Whilst I hesitate to call it art, Patek, Lange and others have deliberately designed pieces using movements that are aesthetically more pleasing when a better but less pleasing solution exists - for example a lateral clutch chrono is a beauty to behold but certainly less efficient than a vertical clutch - they are produced purely for their visual merit.
As they say, art is in the eye of the beholder.
yes true, great artist have copied themselves and other artist, which is the non-artistic part of their livelihoods. they did and still do it to hone their skills and to make money:::)))
also, certain art forms (like of course photography and fine art printing) generate intrinsically non-unique pieces. i would definitely not refrain from buying a photographic work by andreas gursky with a total issue number of 5 or 10 copies but would be less thrilled by the 100th reissue of a picasso printwork.
btw, i have a cloisonné WT on order and have nothing seriously to hold against them - maybe except that most of them are pretty useless when you want to read the time or time zone. but as ninja said we have the iPhone anyway:::))).
also, i think this discussion has a lot to do with watches. it helps me to understand the way people see the PP WT painted versions.
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Haha. Well no not really. It is by some margin my most complex piece.
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And some more I will need to look up.
Yes, indeed! I'm with you on this.

It's why I want the trilogy box set. Been on my "buy list" for a while, it just keeps keeping trumped by others of higher priority. :(

I might have to finally pull the trigger. Seeing yours reminds me of why I love those three from UN (even if they aren't in-house movements).
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Old 20 August 2019, 02:45 PM   #147
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The only way to truly know the market price is to see if a grey will offer a price and if yes what that price would be.

I know of a 40th anniversary 5711P that was sold to a grey last month for GBP 190k and he thought he got a bargain !!!! ����
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The only way to truly know the market price is to see if a grey will offer a price and if yes what that price would be.

I know of a 40th anniversary 5711P that was sold to a grey last month for GBP 190k and he thought he got a bargain !!!! ����

That is an awesome watch, I've seen a few pics of it on here, and I'm very jealous

And at 190 they might have thought they have grabbed a bargain, as on Chrono they are going for 300 up
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That is an awesome watch, I've seen a few pics of it on here, and I'm very jealous

And at 190 they might have thought they have grabbed a bargain, as on Chrono they are going for 300 up
Correction: They are listed for 300 and up. :)

I've seen most of those listed on Chrono24 for ages and ages with no movement.
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Correction: They are listed for 300 and up. :)

I've seen most of those listed on Chrono24 for ages and ages with no movement.

Ive seen some come and go
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