My new old Sub

[Suboc]

http://vintagerolexforum.info/vrf/dials.html
http://www.5513mattedial.com/

[seventiesracing]

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+RicScr

few look similar

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

What looks wrong ? Its looks just like every other one I see

Every one you see has a line of depth rating printed that small? Hmmm.

Return it if you can, pronto.

The money can be better spent on another watch and camera.

H

[Suboc]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+RicScr

few look similar

As Haywood Milton suggested....You've got to focus on font spacing and alignment. Do you see any with that depth alignment over Submariner?

[seventiesracing]

Originally Posted by Suboc

You've got to focus on font spacing and alignment. Do you see any with that depth alignment over Submariner?

So when I return this what do I say?
Are you guys saying its a fake dial?

[sfc rick]

Uh oh..... depth over the Submariner...never seen another that way. RED FLAG !

I don't have the experience of most vintage collectors here. Run back to that dealer immediately if you can. Best Wishes!

[seventiesracing]

I see what you guys are saying now the depth is alot smaller then it should be.

[Suboc]

I'd return the watch. Tell them it's a redone dial at best. Then take your money and buy an honest example from one of the trusted sellers on this forum-

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by sfc rick

Uh oh..... depth over the Submariner...never seen another that way. RED FLAG !

Depth over SUBMARINER need not itself be a problem !









:-)

Haywood

[sfc rick]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Depth over SUBMARINER need not itself be a problem !









:-)

Haywood

This only confirms my suspicion I didn't know enough in the first place...Thanks!

[Hollister]

Lovely collection there. I also have a sub w/ subscript sub, if you know what I mean.

[seventiesracing]

Lol

[Suboc]

Depth over Submariner is a good thing, even when accompanied by a few extra lines ;-)

[seventiesracing]

so i love the watch but you guys think i should return it?

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

so i love the watch but you guys think i should return it?

It could be
a) 100% fake
b) a real Rolex fitted with a bunch of fake parts
c) a real Rolex with a bunch of service replacement parts
d) A mostly OK poorly polished old watch

Maybe "c" or "d" would be OK, but you have no idea what it is.

[seventiesracing]

Well I have the appraisal stating that the watch is real
.Guessing being serviced through the years

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

Well I have the appraisal stating that the watch is real
.Guessing being serviced through the years

Keep it. You obviously want to. Send it to a Rolex Service Center and see what they say. You might be disappointed.

[Haywood_Milton]

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[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

Well I have the appraisal stating that the watch is real
.Guessing being serviced through the years

Many a watch comes with an appraisal stating that it is real, which in fact has significant elements that are either incorrect or materially detract from the value which a completely correct watch would have. The message from respondents has been well-informed and consistent. Return the watch if you can.

Haywood

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

so i love the watch but you guys think i should return it?

Yes. Emphatically so.

[seventiesracing]

never thought to look and read receipt
GTS VINTAGE SS
ROLEX NON DATE SUB
CRCA 1960
5513
SERIAL 1478162

[Erpin]

Please do yourself a favor and return the watch for a full refund.

[seventiesracing]

Originally Posted by Erpin

Please do yourself a favor and return the watch for a full refund.

Yes going up there Monday. Have already been in contact with the sales man.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

never thought to look and read receipt
GTS VINTAGE SS
ROLEX NON DATE SUB
CRCA 1960
5513
SERIAL 1478162

That serial number places it around 1967. The dealer either should have known that, or at the very least, done some cursory research to correctly date it.

If you're still on the fence about keeping it, could you tell us why? There's been offered-up numerous reasons for returning it, but you still seem unconvinced. Just curious.

[seventiesracing]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

That serial number places it around 1967. The dealer either should have known that, or at the very least, done some cursory research to correctly date it.

If you're still on the fence about keeping it, could you tell us why? There's been offered-up numerous reasons for returning it, but you still seem unconvinced. Just curious.

Just a let down. really liked the look of the watch. Should i exchange for another watch ?

[Kingface66]

I promise there are better, and fully legitimate, worry-free 5513s out there. I wish I had the patience to research, and shop around and see more examples than I did before buying my first Sub. Eventually, I got the one I wanted, and without any regrets. Since then, I have spent as much time as I could learning about these timepieces. And now I can shop with confidence.
And thanks, in VERY large part, to the community here on this forum.

Also, if you like the look of this watch, just wait until you do finally get an issue-free Sub in yours hands. You will absolutely appreciate returning this one.

[seventiesracing]

They have a nice sub from the 90s there and a nice black explorer 2.

my omega is on its way

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by seventiesracing

They have a nice sub from the 90s there and a nice black explorer 2.

my omega is on its way

I'd be very reluctant going back to that place. Check out the for sale watches here on the forum.

[Haywood_Milton]

Would it be possible to post a scan of the appraisal, please? We've seen some good ones here over the years.....

[seventiesracing]

on my way for my refund then stopping in Rolex. We will see what i come home with