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demonviper · 6 January 2018, 03:24 AM

How rare is the 16760 Fat Lady Pepsi Bezel with a non-date dial? I never noticed it on my dads watch until I compared it with my 16710 and then started looking at pics of other fat ladys that all have “oyster perpetual date” on the dial.

saskmh · 6 January 2018, 03:45 AM

The fat lady had a red/black bezel only. No red/blue.

The non date dials are the first year and quite scarce.

R.W.T. · 6 January 2018, 03:45 AM

Well it is rare and truly the one to have but how rare...it's just a transitional thing.

They would also fall in to a certain serial range and not beyond.

CRM114 · 6 January 2018, 04:14 AM

Don't know how rare the the non-date dial is, but the bezel insert isn't original if it's a Blue/Red "Pepsi" insert. All 16760s came with a Red/Black "Coke" insert.

demonviper · 6 January 2018, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskmh

The fat lady had a red/black bezel only. No red/blue.

The non date dials are the first year and quite scarce.

Thanks my dad mustve swapped it out shortly after he purchased it because he has the original coke bezel in the box

HORNBLOWER · 6 January 2018, 07:45 AM

Mine has a date dial.

ras47 · 6 January 2018, 08:07 AM

They never came in a no-date version. Aftermarket dial.

mtgjr · 6 January 2018, 09:30 AM

Very rare.....no such thing. The 16760 never came without a date, and never came with a Pepsi insert.

Tools · 6 January 2018, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonviper

How rare is the 16760 Fat Lady Pepsi Bezel with a non-date dial? I never noticed it on my dads watch until I compared it with my 16710 and then started looking at pics of other fat ladys that all have “oyster perpetual date” on the dial.

As mentioned, the Fat Lady 16760 only came with the red/black bezel insert. A Pepsi Fat Lady is just wrong, wrong, wrong....

As to the no-date dial (dials without the word "date" on them), some look for them, but the 16760 is rare enough; they came both ways.

CRM114 · 6 January 2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ras47

They never came in a no-date version. Aftermarket dial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgjr

Very rare.....no such thing. The 16760 never came without a date, and never came with a Pepsi insert.

In this case the OP is referring to dial's writing, not the lack of the date complication. Some 16760 dials came with the words "Oyster Perpetual" while others came with "Oyster Perpetual Date".

R.W.T. · 6 January 2018, 04:12 PM

it's a cool watch! Personally it's the only Fat Lady I would want.

henrylee · 6 January 2018, 04:31 PM

I would swap the coke back in and rock it.

mtgjr · 7 January 2018, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRM114

In this case the OP is referring to dial's writing, not the lack of the date complication. Some 16760 dials came with the words "Oyster Perpetual" while others came with "Oyster Perpetual Date".

10-4. And none came with a Pepsi bezel!

rolstaff · 7 January 2018, 03:05 AM

Here we have some pics of my unworn 16760 fatlady "no date"..

henrylee · 7 January 2018, 04:18 AM

^ what a beauty

lee fowler · 7 January 2018, 04:22 AM

Awesome and what year/serial range?

Lee

rolstaff · 7 January 2018, 04:51 AM

Thank you, Henry and Lee.

Serial is 8.4xxxxx mio. It´s a complete fullset.... :-))

HogwldFLTR · 7 January 2018, 05:51 AM

I'm pretty confused as to why Rolex would ditch this design for the 16710; what was the advantage?

lee fowler · 7 January 2018, 06:43 AM

Hi Juergen, 8.4?

Lee

rolstaff · 7 January 2018, 07:17 AM

Yes, sure Lee.

The fatlady 16760 started around 8.40 mio serial with this "no date" dial. Around 8.49 mio serial they got the "date" dial.

My fatlady is around 8.42 mio serial. Don't know the exact serial, because the watch is in the safe of my bank and I don't have pics with the serial....

lee fowler · 7 January 2018, 08:41 AM

Mine is a 8.46 and after researching it, it seems to be around the early 8.4 range that the no date was used as yours is and from around 8.45 they started using the date dial it would seem with some overlap either way.

rolstaff · 7 January 2018, 08:48 AM

Yes, Lee. I agree

Sherbie · 7 January 2018, 11:12 AM

Wow i hope the lume on my 1993 16700 turns to that shade. That fat lady is beautiful

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DJRikki · 7 January 2018, 11:18 AM

Why is it called a no date?

roh123 · 7 January 2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJRikki

Why is it called a no date?

It normally says ”OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE” on these. The first dials didn’t say DATE. Feels mostly like something that owners want to hype. Bit like GMT-Master II stick dial. Perhaps it adds a ton of premium? I have no clue.

Thuilln · 7 January 2018, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rolstaff

Here we have some pics of my unworn 16760 fatlady "no date"..

That’s a wonderful piece Sir.

mtgjr · 8 January 2018, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by henrylee

^ what a beauty

X2. Gorgeous piece you have there.

rolstaff · 8 January 2018, 02:21 AM

Thank you, Sherbie, Nick and Mike

rolstaff · 8 January 2018, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roh123

It normally says ”OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE” on these. The first dials didn’t say DATE. Feels mostly like something that owners want to hype. Bit like GMT-Master II stick dial. Perhaps it adds a ton of premium? I have no clue.

In this case it has nothing to do with hype. Its not comparable with a stick dial-hype.

The fatlady "no date" dial defines the very first version of this new model 16760.
Similar to the OCC - dial of the 1675 (very first version)

DJRikki · 8 January 2018, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roh123

It normally says ”OYSTER PERPETUAL DATE” on these. The first dials didn’t say DATE. Feels mostly like something that owners want to hype. Bit like GMT-Master II stick dial. Perhaps it adds a ton of premium? I have no clue.

Perfect answer - thank you :)

6 January 2018, 03:24 AM	#1
demonviper "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 7	GMT-Master II non-date dial 16760 Fat Lady How rare is the 16760 Fat Lady Pepsi Bezel with a non-date dial? I never noticed it on my dads watch until I compared it with my 16710 and then started looking at pics of other fat ladys that all have “oyster perpetual date” on the dial.

6 January 2018, 03:45 AM	#2
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	The fat lady had a red/black bezel only. No red/blue. The non date dials are the first year and quite scarce. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

6 January 2018, 08:07 AM	#7
ras47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Northern NJ Watch: 16710 BLRO Posts: 3,063	They never came in a no-date version. Aftermarket dial. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II BLRO 16710 Omega Speedmaster Co-Axial Chrono

6 January 2018, 04:31 PM	#12
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,214	I would swap the coke back in and rock it. __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

7 January 2018, 04:18 AM	#15
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,214	^ what a beauty __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

6 January 2018, 03:45 AM	#3
R.W.T. "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,973	Well it is rare and truly the one to have but how rare...it's just a transitional thing. They would also fall in to a certain serial range and not beyond.

6 January 2018, 04:14 AM	#4
CRM114 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: HK & USA Watch: GMTs,1803, 16610LV Posts: 2,001	Don't know how rare the the non-date dial is, but the bezel insert isn't original if it's a Blue/Red "Pepsi" insert. All 16760s came with a Red/Black "Coke" insert.

6 January 2018, 09:30 AM	#8
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	Very rare.....no such thing. The 16760 never came without a date, and never came with a Pepsi insert.

6 January 2018, 04:12 PM	#11
R.W.T. "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,973	it's a cool watch! Personally it's the only Fat Lady I would want.

7 January 2018, 03:05 AM	#14
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Here we have some pics of my unworn 16760 fatlady "no date"..

7 January 2018, 04:22 AM	#16
lee fowler 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: UK Watch: GMT Posts: 2,508	Awesome and what year/serial range? Lee __________________ Instagram: @lee1563

7 January 2018, 04:51 AM	#17
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Thank you, Henry and Lee. Serial is 8.4xxxxx mio. It´s a complete fullset.... :-))

7 January 2018, 05:51 AM	#18
HogwldFLTR 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: 42.48.45N70.48.48 Watch: What's on my wrist Posts: 33,256	I'm pretty confused as to why Rolex would ditch this design for the 16710; what was the advantage? __________________ Troglodyte in residence! https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=808599

7 January 2018, 06:43 AM	#19
lee fowler 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: UK Watch: GMT Posts: 2,508	Hi Juergen, 8.4? Lee __________________ Instagram: @lee1563

7 January 2018, 07:17 AM	#20
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Yes, sure Lee. The fatlady 16760 started around 8.40 mio serial with this "no date" dial. Around 8.49 mio serial they got the "date" dial. My fatlady is around 8.42 mio serial. Don't know the exact serial, because the watch is in the safe of my bank and I don't have pics with the serial....

7 January 2018, 08:41 AM	#21
lee fowler 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: UK Watch: GMT Posts: 2,508	Mine is a 8.46 and after researching it, it seems to be around the early 8.4 range that the no date was used as yours is and from around 8.45 they started using the date dial it would seem with some overlap either way. __________________ Instagram: @lee1563

7 January 2018, 08:48 AM	#22
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Yes, Lee. I agree

7 January 2018, 11:12 AM	#23
Sherbie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Tx Posts: 150	Wow i hope the lume on my 1993 16700 turns to that shade. That fat lady is beautiful Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

7 January 2018, 11:18 AM	#24
DJRikki "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: Ricardo Location: Scotland Watch: Rolex BLNR Posts: 851	Why is it called a no date? __________________ Watch Enthusiast

8 January 2018, 02:21 AM	#28
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Thank you, Sherbie, Nick and Mike

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