New to the forum and looking for expertise - “Kermit”

[pd_55]

Hello all. I’m new to the forum, but not to the watches, so any help would be appreciated. I recently picked up a Rolex that I’ve been wanting for a few years. It looks to be a ~2007 16610V “Kermit” with an M serial. I have a few questions and concerns that I’m hoping the collective group can help me with.

1) The old 16610LV vs 16610V question. Mine is a V but I’m still not clear on when or why the model difference on the cards. Is this guaranteed a 50th anniversary model with the V model # and not LV? I’m pretty positive that since it is a 16610V and not a 16610 that it’s not just a swapped bezel, but confused on the full history of the watch.

2) There seem to be many iterations of the green color on the bezel. I bought this one because it has the yellow/green bezel. Is there a way to tell if the bezel has been replaced? And is this one faded or is that the true original color?

3) Is there any other way to verify it is a 50th anniversary other than the bezel? I have the box and papers, but not the original hang/price tag that I heard denotes the 50th.

Any help would be appreciated. Here is a shot of it waiting to be worn. Thanks

[Lol-x]

I would have expected an "M" serial to have the engraved "ROLEX" rehaut, but your photo shows it does not.

[faimag]

true, seems more like a Z than an M.

[Watch Fan]

The Kermit has an obvious "maxi dial", indices are larger and hands are slightly larger. The hang tag should say 16610LV, as well as the warranty card if you have it. Pretty hard to tell if the bezel insert has been replaced, because you can easily do it yourself. I just sold my 16610LV which was an "M" serial and it definately had the engraved inside, as well as the above that I mentioned. Also, my bezel was not "yellow green", it was very green. Hopes this helps.

[jps3b]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I would have expected an "M" serial to have the engraved "ROLEX" rehaut, but your photo shows it does not.

My 2007 “M” serial 16610LV has a rehaute. But my bezel doesn’t look like that. It’s more of a dark green instead of a “lime green”. Not saying yours isn’t legit, I’m just telling you what mine looks like purchased from an AD

[Kostas]

Couple of small observations from that pic , are they maxi hands or regular , hard to tell.

The pearl seems to be off centered to the right on the triangle

We need some clearer pics

[Chilly Coconut]

Definitely not an M serial. What makes you think that?

[Lol-x]

I don't get it, you say you own this watch and have it in your possession obviously but then you say:

Originally Posted by pd_55

It looks to be a ~2007 16610V “Kermit” with an M serial.

I don't understand the reference to "It looks". It either is or it isn't and you should be able to tell exactly by a proper inspection of the serial number stamped between the lugs.

Something not right here.

[pd_55]

Thanks for the feedback. It’s defintiely an M serial. I removed the bracelet and the card and engraved serial between the lugs match. The card shows the sale from a TX dealer in September 2007. No engraved rehault.

Sound peculiar? I’ve read that the serials are randomized, but does that not include the prefix? Thanks for the help.

[pd_55]

And the pearl is centered. Just the angle of the phone.

Noting “looks to be” as I have these questions about the model #, serial # and bezel insert. I confirmed the serial #’s on the case and card match.

[crazycarlitos]

Originally Posted by pd_55

Hello all. I’m new to the forum, but not to the watches, so any help would be appreciated. I recently picked up a Rolex that I’ve been wanting for a few years. It looks to be a ~2007 16610V “Kermit” with an M serial. I have a few questions and concerns that I’m hoping the collective group can help me with.

1) The old 16610LV vs 16610V question. Mine is a V but I’m still not clear on when or why the model difference on the cards. Is this guaranteed a 50th anniversary model with the V model # and not LV? I’m pretty positive that since it is a 16610V and not a 16610 that it’s not just a swapped bezel, but confused on the full history of the watch.

2) There seem to be many iterations of the green color on the bezel. I bought this one because it has the yellow/green bezel. Is there a way to tell if the bezel has been replaced? And is this one faded or is that the true original color?

3) Is there any other way to verify it is a 50th anniversary other than the bezel? I have the box and papers, but not the original hang/price tag that I heard denotes the 50th.

Any help would be appreciated. Here is a shot of it waiting to be worn. Thanks

1) all are LV. Some warranty card will only say 16610V. But they are all LV.

2) LV have different shades of green. Almost impossible to tell if the bezel has been replaced.

3) all 16610 LV are 50th anni model. If u are asking about the true 50th LV, that would be 2003 F serial afaik.

Little confused. Why do u say “it looks to be...” if u have the box and papers?

And I m pretty sure M serial subs had the engraved rehaut...

[pd_55]

Box and papers are good and serial on the case matches the card. Definitely an M serial. I say “looks to be” as I have these questions. Not questioning the Rolex authenticity, it’s the gray area around everything matching. I’ve heard that it should have the engraving on the rehaut as well, but this one does not. It’s a little perplexingly, so I’m looking to get some clarification.

[Chilly Coconut]

Originally Posted by pd_55

Thanks for the feedback. It’s defintiely an M serial. I removed the bracelet and the card and engraved serial between the lugs match. The card shows the sale from a TX dealer in September 2007. No engraved rehault.

Sound peculiar? I’ve read that the serials are randomized, but does that not include the prefix? Thanks for the help.

Something seems amiss. M serial subs have engraved rehaut, as do late Z serials.

[Lol-x]

Looks like a possible imitation.

Lots of problems with this...

[xtra3cats]

Originally Posted by Chilly Coconut

Something seems amiss. M serial subs have engraved rehaut, as do late Z serials.

I have not seem an M serial 16610LV without the rehaut. I had 2 M serial LVs both with the rehaut.

[edweather]

Did you buy it from an AD?

[CorradoBrit]

That went south quick. Registered in 2010 and 8 years later decides to post a dubious looking Kermit.

[Nikrnic]

M serial no. started during 07 and ran thru the middle of 08 so I think yours is an early M, mid 07 before rehaut as 07 was the beginning of the transition years and came both ways, usually you can look at the serial number sequence as well and get a better clue. Also look at your clasp code, yours could read EO (2007). V serial no. started during 08 and ran thru 09. I do stand to be corrected, I'm no expert, l was looking at a rolex serial no. chart and not from any personal experience with a 16610LV
BTW. Congrats! You have a Beautiful looking watch Enjoy!!!

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[Lol-x]

I didn't know Rolex spelt certified "CURTIFIED"

[edweather]

I just enlarged the pic too. It does look like CURTIFIED....hope not. OP Banned!!!

[Onikage]

Ouch.

[SLS]

Yikes, not good.

[envuks]

[Kingsking]

That escalated quickly lol, why was he banned though?

[luvsub]

Another one

[gasparantonio]

Very strange that an M series is not engraved.

I have a Z series 9998XX and is not engraved. It is an EO5, which means it was released in may 2007, so go to the bracelet and look inside for the letters and the number so you know exactly when does your watch was released.

Hope everything is correct for your 16610LV

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Kingsking

That escalated quickly lol, why was he banned though?

Asking such a question almost calls for you to be banned, if for nothing else, for your own protection.

[asiparks]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I didn't know Rolex spelt certified "CURTIFIED"

Pretty sure it says “CERTIFIED”, just the low resolution and anti aliasing are obliterating parts of the letter, in much the same way the last “E” appears to be missing the center bar.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by asiparks

Pretty sure

That's the level of confidence that sees people send $12K or more to scammers.

Well done

Bad photos are worthless, good photos are just that, nothing more.

[Chilly Coconut]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

M serial no. started during 07 and ran thru the middle of 08 so I think yours is an early M, mid 07 before rehaut as 07 was the beginning of the transition years and came both ways, usually you can look at the serial number sequence as well and get a better clue. Also look at your clasp code, yours could read EO (2007). V serial no. started during 08 and ran thru 09. I , l was looking at a rolex serial no. chart and not from any personal experience with a 16610LV
BTW. Congrats! You have a Beautiful looking watch Enjoy!!!

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Really? You said all that, only to conclude with “I do stand to be corrected, I'm no expert“? Well, you got that last part right.