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kaiserphoenix · 16 February 2017, 02:48 AM

Hi Guys, recently I picked up the AP ROO Diver and I love this thing, so much so that Im wearing it regularly.

However this has somehow ignited my interest in Genta sports watch. I used to have a 5711 Blue Nautilus but for some reason the dial just felt abit dated on my wrist and i never bonded with it so i sold it.

I like the look and heft of the 15400 which I tried on, and was offered a white dial 5711 at the same time which i also thought looked good. Which one would you go for? Looking at values tho, it seems that at least in the UK its:

5711, retail £18,030.00 and £14,300 for the AP RO

£3730.00 difference

Now if you factor in discounts, its like

£18,030 for Patek (no discount on patek ofcourse), and £10,500~ for AP, meaning differential is £7530.....

Which one would you get and why!?

Bouddha · 16 February 2017, 03:39 AM

Does the white nautilus interact as much with the light than a black/blue dial of the PP ?
Also does the black 15400 dial plays more with light than a PP white ?
I think the loss on a AP is compensated by the discount price one can have on compared to a PP on which there will be no discount but then will loose very little....

But a Patek is a Patek, so it's really a hard call.

I am myself in the process of considering a 15400 black dial vs 15710 black and a PP Nautilus 5711 black/blue dial and honestly, I am a little lost as to which one is the right choice for me.

Looking forward to see what others have to say!

Oz33 · 16 February 2017, 04:20 AM

As I'm also looking to add a RO I would have to go with the 15400 as it has a different presence to the diver.

If you've already not bonded with a PP why go back?

Happy decision making.

AK797 · 16 February 2017, 05:06 AM

I feel the same about the grey-blue Genta 5711, but the 15400 blue is more vibrant and dynamic. I like the 5711 white but that's a £14K watch to my eye, but still for the same price I'd go for the blue 400.

Tay821 · 16 February 2017, 05:06 AM

Interesting compare as I don;t recall these two head to head before. Anyways, I really like the white 5711 and if I was to get a 15400 it would be blue, hands down...so that would make my decision easy.

I get there's a big price diff, but if you really love the watch and you'll be keeping it, the price shouldn't matter that much

Good lucl in the choice

jem7v · 16 February 2017, 05:21 AM

I'd get the AP. If I were getting a steel nautilus I'd only get the new twin time or the moon phase one. Not the one with a moon phase and power reserve. The one that was just the moon phase and the calendar. But I like that one on a strap :).

I'd get the 15400 in black or the 15202 50th anniversary if you like the blue. I don't like the blue so 15400 in black for me.

Lordofrolex · 16 February 2017, 05:35 AM

5711 easy!

brettpaul · 16 February 2017, 05:58 AM

Try the boutique 15400 in person before you decide....IMHO the AP bracelet alone puts this piece over the PP - if you want a more classic Genta go for the 15202. Personally I went for the 15400 boutique as it's an updated version of the classic.

No wrong choice for sure, only what best suits your taste and wrist!

Peterandwatches · 16 February 2017, 06:27 AM

I would normally lean Patek, especially for brand diversity, but I don't really like the 5711 in white, so I'll go with the 15400 (all colors are nice).

Another option might be the PP 5167, which gets you a PP wrapped up in an understated, but modern sportswatch. Only Gentra inspired, and certainly not the heft of the AP, so it may not fit your needs.

Good luck.

kaiserphoenix · 16 February 2017, 08:07 AM

Thank you guys. Unfortunately the UK has no boutique, yes hard to believe and therefore I am unable to see the Blue 15400. Also the Blue 15400 will be somewhat more expensive. I get that the white is probably not as popular and maybe not worth the premium....hmmm The poll stands at 6 -6 haha....

gummy · 16 February 2017, 08:13 AM

15400 on this poll...

Answer would have been different if 5711 Blue.

kneedeep · 16 February 2017, 08:39 AM

I felt the same way you did about the blue dial 5711. But I voted white dial 5711 in a kind of split decision because to my eye the 15400 at 41mm is just not right (for me) and I very much like the look of the white dial 5711. However I think the RO bracelet and clasp > Nautilus bracelet and clasp.

SDDS · 16 February 2017, 09:17 AM

I would go for blue 15400

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Tay821 · 16 February 2017, 10:16 AM

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IMO this blue is more interesting than 5711 blue. Much brighter and love it when the light hits it just right

Wenga · 16 February 2017, 07:41 PM

The blue 15400

theflywrist · 16 February 2017, 08:33 PM

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IMO this blue is more interesting than 5711 blue. Much brighter and love it when the light hits it just right

It's debatable :P

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kaiserphoenix · 16 February 2017, 09:29 PM

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It's debatable :P

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Beautiful watch but not for me. It just doesnt pop on my wrist. I flipped it twice as i thought i made a mistake the first time but alas, its a watch i feel i SHOULD like because everyone loves it and its so desireable but its a watch i just find average in all honesty and i dont mean to offend anyone.

Minimalist · 16 February 2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

Beautiful watch but not for me. It just doesnt pop on my wrist. I flipped it twice as i thought i made a mistake the first time but alas, its a watch i feel i SHOULD like because everyone loves it and its so desireable but its a watch i just find average in all honesty and i dont mean to offend anyone.

My vote also goes to the black 15400, which is what I own. I totally agree with what you said above.

jem7v · 17 February 2017, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

Beautiful watch but not for me. It just doesnt pop on my wrist. I flipped it twice as i thought i made a mistake the first time but alas, its a watch i feel i SHOULD like because everyone loves it and its so desireable but its a watch i just find average in all honesty and i dont mean to offend anyone.

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

My vote also goes to the black 15400, which is what I own. I totally agree with what you said above.

This is why I said for the nautilus it should be the moonphase or twin time.

The only basic nautilus I would get is the rose gold one.

Tomas Eriksson · 17 February 2017, 03:17 AM

You get more "horology" for the money with the 15400, I really really love mine. But, Patek is Patek and you can't go wrong with any nautilus.

kaiserphoenix · 17 February 2017, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

You get more "horology" for the money with the 15400, I really really love mine. But, Patek is Patek and you can't go wrong with any nautilus.

Good point. Patek will always have that high ground. Technically i find the 324 cal superior and the water resistance is superior on the nautilus as well. But the AP just looks BAS A**

masyv6 · 17 February 2017, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

5711 easy!

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Chute · 17 February 2017, 03:40 PM

This is an interesting poll. My dream watch for the last several years has been a white 5711. The blue 5711 annoys me that the date wheel doesn't match (same can be said for black or blue 15300's). So I went through the other options, 15202 (too thin/flimsy for me), 5167 on rubber (fantastic and light watch but almost $20k for a rubber strap watch was too much for me). The blue 15400 gets a lot of love but I couldn't source one to look at and don't like paying full retail. So, I got a black 15400 from David SW for a great discount and price/discount is aalways a factor. I also thought the silver 15400 looked too big but the black dial made it look smaller. I recently (finally) tried on a blue 5711 and thoughtit looked too small. So now I still want a white 5711 since the white dial will make it look bigger and I like the color coordinated date wheel. But, given the cost for a white 5711, I need to save up for awhile and probably need to make that my last watch to maintain a happy marriage. So my vote is 15400 black, but I still yearn for a white 5711.

bayerische · 17 February 2017, 06:20 PM

Patek, the 15400 is the only RO I dislike. I think the proportions are all wrong. Super-small date window makes the watch look like it had the wrong movement inside.

kaiserphoenix · 17 February 2017, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chute

This is an interesting poll. My dream watch for the last several years has been a white 5711. The blue 5711 annoys me that the date wheel doesn't match (same can be said for black or blue 15300's). So I went through the other options, 15202 (too thin/flimsy for me), 5167 on rubber (fantastic and light watch but almost $20k for a rubber strap watch was too much for me). The blue 15400 gets a lot of love but I couldn't source one to look at and don't like paying full retail. So, I got a black 15400 from David SW for a great discount and price/discount is aalways a factor. I also thought the silver 15400 looked too big but the black dial made it look smaller. I recently (finally) tried on a blue 5711 and thoughtit looked too small. So now I still want a white 5711 since the white dial will make it look bigger and I like the color coordinated date wheel. But, given the cost for a white 5711, I need to save up for awhile and probably need to make that my last watch to maintain a happy marriage. So my vote is 15400 black, but I still yearn for a white 5711.

Hahaha thanks for your thoughts. Very crucial that you maintain your marraige :)

Im still on the fence, financially I could technically keep both but from a collection standpoint, i just dun see the need for so many bracelet watches and feel the 15400 and the 5711 are of the same "kind" and one wont get worn as much as the other.

benlee · 17 February 2017, 10:28 PM

Curveball. How about a 15202 Jumbo instead? Have you seen / tried one on? Many AP collectors tends to eventually upgrade from 15400 to 15202, myself included. Might as well go straight there.

Ahmadq87 · 17 February 2017, 11:25 PM

For me I'm going to AP, I don't like nautilus line expect some of them like a moon phase and travel time chrono, 5711 white and blue are so simple, expensive, small for me and not even attractive.

kaiserphoenix · 18 February 2017, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by benlee

Curveball. How about a 15202 Jumbo instead? Have you seen / tried one on? Many AP collectors tends to eventually upgrade from 15400 to 15202, myself included. Might as well go straight there.

Hi, thanks for your suggestion. I have tried the 15202 before, whilst I like it, there are a few drawbacks that are deal breakers for me:

1) No seconds hand.
2) The JLC movement which is delicate and somewhat more fragile than the AP 3120.
3) Price and general "delicateness"

I dont disagree for a minute that this is THE original authentic AP!!

jem7v · 18 February 2017, 01:12 AM

How is the 15202 delicate? Is the 40th anniversary as delicate? I thought the only issue was like the date wheel or something like that breaking.

View Poll Results: Black 15400 or WHITE Nautilus 5711
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16 February 2017, 02:48 AM	#1
kaiserphoenix "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London/Tokyo Watch: FPJ CO BL Posts: 1,603	Add another RO 15400 Black or get Nautilus White Hi Guys, recently I picked up the AP ROO Diver and I love this thing, so much so that Im wearing it regularly. However this has somehow ignited my interest in Genta sports watch. I used to have a 5711 Blue Nautilus but for some reason the dial just felt abit dated on my wrist and i never bonded with it so i sold it. I like the look and heft of the 15400 which I tried on, and was offered a white dial 5711 at the same time which i also thought looked good. Which one would you go for? Looking at values tho, it seems that at least in the UK its: 5711, retail £18,030.00 and £14,300 for the AP RO £3730.00 difference Now if you factor in discounts, its like £18,030 for Patek (no discount on patek ofcourse), and £10,500~ for AP, meaning differential is £7530..... Which one would you get and why!? __________________ F.P.Journe Chronometre Optimum Black Label, Patek 5811G-001, A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 191.039, Patek 5167A-001, Rolex Yacht-Master 40 Everrose, (Wh) Rolex Daytona 116500, (Blue) Rolex Skydweller 326934, Rolex Submariner 126610LV IG: tokyo_watch_guy

16 February 2017, 05:35 AM	#7
Lordofrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Brandon Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Yes Please! Posts: 6,690	5711 easy! __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Panerai PAM 359 Audemars Piguet RO 15300OR Follow me on Instagram: @b_jakobovich

16 February 2017, 05:58 AM	#8
brettpaul "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: Bahrain, Dubai Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 5,538	Try the boutique 15400 in person before you decide....IMHO the AP bracelet alone puts this piece over the PP - if you want a more classic Genta go for the 15202. Personally I went for the 15400 boutique as it's an updated version of the classic. No wrong choice for sure, only what best suits your taste and wrist! __________________ Photostream on Instagram brett_in_bahrain

16 February 2017, 08:07 AM	#10
kaiserphoenix "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London/Tokyo Watch: FPJ CO BL Posts: 1,603	Thank you guys. Unfortunately the UK has no boutique, yes hard to believe and therefore I am unable to see the Blue 15400. Also the Blue 15400 will be somewhat more expensive. I get that the white is probably not as popular and maybe not worth the premium....hmmm The poll stands at 6 -6 haha.... __________________ F.P.Journe Chronometre Optimum Black Label, Patek 5811G-001, A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 191.039, Patek 5167A-001, Rolex Yacht-Master 40 Everrose, (Wh) Rolex Daytona 116500, (Blue) Rolex Skydweller 326934, Rolex Submariner 126610LV IG: tokyo_watch_guy

16 February 2017, 03:39 AM	#2
Bouddha "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Switzerland Posts: 26	Does the white nautilus interact as much with the light than a black/blue dial of the PP ? Also does the black 15400 dial plays more with light than a PP white ? I think the loss on a AP is compensated by the discount price one can have on compared to a PP on which there will be no discount but then will loose very little.... But a Patek is a Patek, so it's really a hard call. I am myself in the process of considering a 15400 black dial vs 15710 black and a PP Nautilus 5711 black/blue dial and honestly, I am a little lost as to which one is the right choice for me. Looking forward to see what others have to say!

16 February 2017, 04:20 AM	#3
Oz33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 27	As I'm also looking to add a RO I would have to go with the 15400 as it has a different presence to the diver. If you've already not bonded with a PP why go back? Happy decision making.

16 February 2017, 05:06 AM	#4
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,237	I feel the same about the grey-blue Genta 5711, but the 15400 blue is more vibrant and dynamic. I like the 5711 white but that's a £14K watch to my eye, but still for the same price I'd go for the blue 400.

16 February 2017, 05:06 AM	#5
Tay821 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 913	Interesting compare as I don;t recall these two head to head before. Anyways, I really like the white 5711 and if I was to get a 15400 it would be blue, hands down...so that would make my decision easy. I get there's a big price diff, but if you really love the watch and you'll be keeping it, the price shouldn't matter that much Good lucl in the choice

16 February 2017, 05:21 AM	#6
jem7v Banned Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 842	I'd get the AP. If I were getting a steel nautilus I'd only get the new twin time or the moon phase one. Not the one with a moon phase and power reserve. The one that was just the moon phase and the calendar. But I like that one on a strap :). I'd get the 15400 in black or the 15202 50th anniversary if you like the blue. I don't like the blue so 15400 in black for me.

16 February 2017, 06:27 AM	#9
Peterandwatches "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WA Watch: 5167/15400/Sub/JLC Posts: 1,023	I would normally lean Patek, especially for brand diversity, but I don't really like the 5711 in white, so I'll go with the 15400 (all colors are nice). Another option might be the PP 5167, which gets you a PP wrapped up in an understated, but modern sportswatch. Only Gentra inspired, and certainly not the heft of the AP, so it may not fit your needs. Good luck.

16 February 2017, 08:13 AM	#11
gummy 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Thomas Location: Midwest USA Watch: AP PP Rolex Posts: 3,301	15400 on this poll... Answer would have been different if 5711 Blue.

16 February 2017, 08:39 AM	#12
kneedeep "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Not 2 far from u Posts: 3,457	I felt the same way you did about the blue dial 5711. But I voted white dial 5711 in a kind of split decision because to my eye the 15400 at 41mm is just not right (for me) and I very much like the look of the white dial 5711. However I think the RO bracelet and clasp > Nautilus bracelet and clasp.

16 February 2017, 09:17 AM	#13
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,781	I would go for blue 15400 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

16 February 2017, 09:17 AM	#14
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,781	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

16 February 2017, 07:41 PM	#16
Wenga "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Denmark Posts: 60	The blue 15400

17 February 2017, 03:17 AM	#21
Tomas Eriksson "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Stockholm Watch: 15707CE Posts: 1,986	You get more "horology" for the money with the 15400, I really really love mine. But, Patek is Patek and you can't go wrong with any nautilus. __________________ State of the union: 5066A,15400ST,15707CE,116610LN,26470OR and a few other…

17 February 2017, 03:40 PM	#24
Chute "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Chris Location: Austin Watch: 6 digit Rolex+APRO Posts: 1,536	This is an interesting poll. My dream watch for the last several years has been a white 5711. The blue 5711 annoys me that the date wheel doesn't match (same can be said for black or blue 15300's). So I went through the other options, 15202 (too thin/flimsy for me), 5167 on rubber (fantastic and light watch but almost $20k for a rubber strap watch was too much for me). The blue 15400 gets a lot of love but I couldn't source one to look at and don't like paying full retail. So, I got a black 15400 from David SW for a great discount and price/discount is aalways a factor. I also thought the silver 15400 looked too big but the black dial made it look smaller. I recently (finally) tried on a blue 5711 and thoughtit looked too small. So now I still want a white 5711 since the white dial will make it look bigger and I like the color coordinated date wheel. But, given the cost for a white 5711, I need to save up for awhile and probably need to make that my last watch to maintain a happy marriage. So my vote is 15400 black, but I still yearn for a white 5711.

17 February 2017, 06:20 PM	#25
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Patek, the 15400 is the only RO I dislike. I think the proportions are all wrong. Super-small date window makes the watch look like it had the wrong movement inside. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

17 February 2017, 10:28 PM	#27
benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,873	Curveball. How about a 15202 Jumbo instead? Have you seen / tried one on? Many AP collectors tends to eventually upgrade from 15400 to 15202, myself included. Might as well go straight there. __________________ Follow me on Instagram : benlee789

17 February 2017, 11:25 PM	#28
Ahmadq87 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Doha Watch: Audemars Piguet Posts: 141	For me I'm going to AP, I don't like nautilus line expect some of them like a moon phase and travel time chrono, 5711 white and blue are so simple, expensive, small for me and not even attractive.

18 February 2017, 01:12 AM	#30
jem7v Banned Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 842	How is the 15202 delicate? Is the 40th anniversary as delicate? I thought the only issue was like the date wheel or something like that breaking.

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