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lhanddds · 22 August 2018, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

That's a Mil(dew)Sub

That’s great K

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Iittoo · 22 August 2018, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

Just confirming you purchased the watch the OP originally posted?

The condition on the dial’s surface is likely from moisture intrusion that gave a microbes a foothold on the top layer of dial paint. The side effect of the process varies as widely as the number plus varieties of mildew in the air.

I’ve seen it even when the movement was clean.

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Yes, it is the same watch that was posted originally by OP. This watch was from Jacek/HQ Milton. Movement was clean. One additional thing to take note is that the dial was washed off of the lume. I guess many people will not even consider about getting the watch but to me in real life, it look great and I enjoy it although not a perfect 5513 this is.

thomaspp · 22 August 2018, 12:45 AM

haha.. this thread made my morning for a good laugh

Iittoo · 22 August 2018, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by roh123

Does the dial have lume? I’ve seen this in the past and then the dial was cleaned.

How does it look like in the past before the dial was cleaned? Yes the dial does not have lume anymore. It was washed but I am unsure whether the blemishes were due to the cleaning of dial or it was all the while there

roh123 · 22 August 2018, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Iittoo

How does it look like in the past before the dial was cleaned? Yes the dial does not have lume anymore. It was washed but I am unsure whether the blemishes were due to the cleaning of dial or it was all the while there

It probably lacked the night sky patina. Who knows..

To me the ”patina” is where a slightly careless watchmaker would have cleaned away the lume.

037 · 22 August 2018, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by roh123

To me the ”patina” is where a slightly careless watchmaker would have cleaned away the lume.

Tritium lume used a water-based paint, so it could have been washed by moisture. The dial could have been salvaged from a watch that once leaked. Maybe a watchmaker did it but there's no way to know with certainty. I'd err more on the side of moisture given the overall condition.

rmlovett1 · 22 August 2018, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by roh123

It probably lacked the night sky patina. Who knows..

To me the ”patina” is where a slightly careless watchmaker would have cleaned away the lume.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Agree with this. But “night sky patina” ??? THAT is creative

roh123 · 22 August 2018, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Richris1

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Agree with this. But “night sky patina” ??? THAT is creative

From the forums favorite trusted dealer.

Iittoo · 22 August 2018, 06:55 PM

It is indeed a very creative name given to this watch. If it was due to the watchmaker slight careless making the dial like that. I really wondering what did he or she did to make it this way.

Included the movement shot for you all.

Toronto Soup King · 22 August 2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by roh123

From the forums favorite trusted dealer.

I'd be a little disappointed in Jacek if he DIDN'T jump on that bandwagon, frankly. The man is in business to sell watches and if he can move "patina" by telling a cute story, so much the better...I want him to succeed and stay in business so I can maybe buy more watches from him!

roh123 · 22 August 2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Toronto Soup King

I'd be a little disappointed in Jacek if he DIDN'T jump on that bandwagon, frankly. The man is in business to sell watches and if he can move "patina" by telling a cute story, so much the better...I want him to succeed and stay in business so I can maybe buy more watches from him!

The dial was described as very good. Feel free to like that but few other dealers would come away with that description here. Cred for saying it was washed but to claim it to be very good I wonder how a good or even a bad dial would look. Calling that damage for ”extensive patina” is also a bit far fetched imho. I hope it at least was priced accordingly so the ”extensive patina” wasn’t extra.

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Dial

Very good dial that has been washed of luminous material. Dial has extensive patina where areas of the black paint is lightening to a grey tone. Hands are newer service units.

Each to their own though. I don’t personally think bullshit like this is good for the hobby.

I hope the owner likes his watch and is happy with his purchase.

Kingface66 · 22 August 2018, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Toronto Soup King

I'd be a little disappointed in Jacek if he DIDN'T jump on that bandwagon, frankly. The man is in business to sell watches and if he can move "patina" by telling a cute story, so much the better...I want him to succeed and stay in business so I can maybe buy more watches from him!

I agree, business is business. But, can a line be drawn anywhere? To me, it's just gotten ridiculous.

This was described as:

"Excellent gilt chapter ring dial that has turned dark tropical"

Excellent? Really?!

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Vincent65 · 23 August 2018, 05:18 PM

A fool and his money are soon parted

They're laughing all the way to the bank.

But, just to clarify - it's complete bollock$.

1675-David · 25 August 2018, 10:22 PM

Electric Cactus Dial???

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

Kingface66 · 25 August 2018, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Electric Cactus Dial???

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

I am genuinely stunned to see you weren’t joking.
This has gotten ridiculous

rootbeer7 · 25 August 2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Electric Cactus Dial???

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

Ok, I’m out. Sticking with my Panerai and Big Block

MonBK · 25 August 2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Electric Cactus Dial???

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

Yep, another ruined dial being marketed as something special.

brandrea · 25 August 2018, 11:12 PM

I love vintage watches ... I’m just too scared to buy them

goldfixer21 · 26 August 2018, 12:41 AM

This dial naming is similar to a trend in the diamond industry with brown diamonds. Chocolate, cognac, coffee, toffee...they're just shades of brown. Years ago you couldn't give away brown diamonds, then LeVian started marketing them as chocolate and people thought they were special

stratlanta · 26 August 2018, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

This dial naming is similar to a trend in the diamond industry with brown diamonds. Chocolate, cognac, coffee, toffee...they're just shades of brown. Years ago you couldn't give away brown diamonds, then LeVian started marketing them as chocolate and people thought they were special

Yeah I scratched my head a bit when I saw that...

In the world of guitars, "relics" are all the rage. Essentially they take new guitars and gouge them, dent them, sand them and make the necks look dirty in an effort to give them.... patina..... ahem.

I'm about to buy a vintage Sub and found this kind of thing really enlightening. At the end of the day, I'm buying one that isn't perfect but it also wasn't described with some sort of romanticized wording about what is, essentially, damage. And I knew what I was getting into when I bought it. At least it was "honest" wear rather than faux wear.

;-)

zapokee · 26 August 2018, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Electric Cactus Dial???

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

This description needs a tongue-sticking-out smiley. It's not serious.

goldfixer21 · 27 August 2018, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stratlanta

Yeah I scratched my head a bit when I saw that...

In the world of guitars, "relics" are all the rage. Essentially they take new guitars and gouge them, dent them, sand them and make the necks look dirty in an effort to give them.... patina..... ahem.

I'm about to buy a vintage Sub and found this kind of thing really enlightening. At the end of the day, I'm buying one that isn't perfect but it also wasn't described with some sort of romanticized wording about what is, essentially, damage. And I knew what I was getting into when I bought it. At least it was "honest" wear rather than faux wear.

;-)

I have NEVER understood the "relic" guitar market. You can't fake "mojo"

Iittoo · 28 August 2018, 11:43 AM

Somehow, it does really look like cactus to me. I personally think Jacek is so creative in creating all these names.

Iittoo · 28 August 2018, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

A fool and his money are soon parted

They're laughing all the way to the bank.

But, just to clarify - it's complete bollock$.

Yeah, i am the fool that got the watch. I bought it because i like its uniqueness. It look great in real life.

Brandon -B- · 7 September 2018, 07:01 AM

I agree that they look neat. The funny names are actually a pretty creative way of being totally honest about the condition is the watch. It doesn’t seem like Jacek is faking the actual patina. Just naming it a creative name. I done see that it would add value but part of vintage watches are the patina that is acquired. No harm in spinning that to an advantage by giving it a creative name.

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1665fan · 7 September 2018, 07:15 AM

Creative names for sub par dials, charging extra for weak examples and color matching all his replacement hands.... which we all know the next seller will more than likely never disclose....

shaunylw · 7 September 2018, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

I might be in the minority but I actually like that, damaged or not.

Not a minority my friend, I like it a lot. I wouldn't pay a premium for a made up dial name but I like it! I bought my first vintage Rolex from Jacek years ago and he was the best. He walked me through at least 25-30 different subs before I picked the one I wanted.

Brandon -B- · 9 September 2018, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

Creative names for sub par dials, charging extra for weak examples and color matching all his replacement hands.... which we all know the next seller will more than likely never disclose....

Well yeah sub par as in not pristine. No matter what the creative name is, you just look at the dial and it’s pretty obvious they aren’t pristine. They are damaged, patina, aged, weathered, vintage whatever. Just look with your eyes. What’s to disclose? They are not pristine. The disclosure is in the made up name. I don’t think anyone is fooled by the name into thinking that Rolex meant the dial to decompose in a cactus like pattern. It’s just a fun way to sell cool looking vintage watches

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037 · 9 September 2018, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandon -B-

I don’t think anyone is fooled by the name into thinking that Rolex meant the dial to decompose in a cactus like pattern.

"In 40 years your dial will age gracefully to a pattern resembling electrified saguaro cacti."

Brandon -B- · 9 September 2018, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 037

"In 40 years your dial will age gracefully to a pattern resembling electrified saguaro cacti."

Your son will continue to enjoy the ever evolving night sky long after you are dead and gone.

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22 August 2018, 12:45 AM	#33
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	haha.. this thread made my morning for a good laugh __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

23 August 2018, 05:18 PM	#43
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,293	A fool and his money are soon parted They're laughing all the way to the bank. But, just to clarify - it's complete bollock$. __________________

25 August 2018, 10:22 PM	#44
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,014	Electric Cactus Dial??? https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ctus-dial-A973

25 August 2018, 11:12 PM	#48
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 73,674	I love vintage watches ... I’m just too scared to buy them

26 August 2018, 12:41 AM	#49
goldfixer21 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 773	This dial naming is similar to a trend in the diamond industry with brown diamonds. Chocolate, cognac, coffee, toffee...they're just shades of brown. Years ago you couldn't give away brown diamonds, then LeVian started marketing them as chocolate and people thought they were special

28 August 2018, 11:43 AM	#53
Iittoo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Singapore Posts: 14	Somehow, it does really look like cactus to me. I personally think Jacek is so creative in creating all these names.

7 September 2018, 07:01 AM	#55
Brandon -B- "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Brandon Location: Santa Rosa, CA Watch: Tissot Seastar1000 Posts: 80	I agree that they look neat. The funny names are actually a pretty creative way of being totally honest about the condition is the watch. It doesn’t seem like Jacek is faking the actual patina. Just naming it a creative name. I done see that it would add value but part of vintage watches are the patina that is acquired. No harm in spinning that to an advantage by giving it a creative name. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 September 2018, 07:15 AM	#56
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,591	Creative names for sub par dials, charging extra for weak examples and color matching all his replacement hands.... which we all know the next seller will more than likely never disclose....

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