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Old 17 January 2010, 08:57 AM   #1
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Patek Philippe watches - NON HACKING!

I was so shocked to learn that the Patek Philippe 5711 Nautilus is non hacking!

What's the reason for this? Surely to guage how accurate a movement can be, it needs the second hand to stop whilst setting the time...?

Such a huge price for something generally considered "the best in the world" & it doesn't have this simple feature...??!
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Old 17 January 2010, 01:07 PM   #2
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Amazes me, as well. I cannot for the life of me figure out why this is not a feature Patek would WANT to put on a watch.

It's for telling time, after all - and isn't it all about accuracy?
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Old 17 January 2010, 02:22 PM   #3
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They probably figure that for someone who can afford a Patek, its never about accuracy since u can get a cheap quartz for that!
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Old 17 January 2010, 06:51 PM   #4
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This is surprising. However, the new chrono calibre is said to have hacking seconds...at least according to Luxist.
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Old 18 January 2010, 01:23 AM   #5
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Hmmm that surprises me and is a bit of a let down.

I wonder why.
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Old 18 January 2010, 01:23 AM   #6
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Hmmm that surprises me and is a bit of a let down.

I wonder why.
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Old 18 January 2010, 02:16 AM   #7
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Probably an arbitrary decision that's never been challenged since no one has ever complained.
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Old 18 January 2010, 07:10 AM   #8
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Can someone explain hacking?
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Old 18 January 2010, 07:42 AM   #9
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Can someone explain hacking?
When the crown is unscrewed to adjust the time or date it usually has two "clicks". Normally the first is for the date & the second for the time. When pulled for the time, the second hand should stop moving. Alot of us like to set the second hand at twelve to synchronize it with GMT (in the UK).

This way we can guage whether our pieces gain or lose time.

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Old 18 January 2010, 07:50 AM   #10
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So the second hand does not stop when the crown is fully pulled out correct?
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Old 18 January 2010, 07:55 AM   #11
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So the second hand does not stop when the crown is fully pulled out correct?
Correct. And although it is possible to stop the second hand by rotating the minute hand backward, it is a very awkward way to set the watch. Further, the Caliber 324 S C (used in the 5711 series) is notorious for having the second hand jump a few seconds once the crown is pushed back in.

Not the best way to try to get accuracy.
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Old 18 January 2010, 11:51 AM   #12
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Someone at Timezone PP forum did a 2 week accuracy test between Lange 1 / PP 5711 / Rolex Sub (or GMT)...forgive me as I'm recalling this from memory

Lange 1 (purchased used and not serviced for several years) deviated about +15 seconds per day

PP 5711 +10 seconds per day

Rolex was about +4 seconds per day
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Old 18 January 2010, 12:01 PM   #13
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Someone at Timezone PP forum did a 2 week accuracy test between Lange 1 / PP 5711 / Rolex Sub (or GMT)...forgive me as I'm recalling this from memory

Lange 1 (purchased used and not serviced for several years) deviated about +15 seconds per day

PP 5711 +10 seconds per day

Rolex was about +4 seconds per day
Not my experience with PP. Pretty spot on, actually.
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Old 19 January 2010, 02:59 AM   #14
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The chairman of PP once said, "if we wanted them to hack, they would hack".
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Old 19 January 2010, 03:05 AM   #15
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I agree with the OP: A non-hacking movement can be pretty annoying when trying to set for the correct time.

I did not know this, but am rather surprised that such a modern-day, high-end manufacturer like PP would come up with a non-hacking movement in one of their Flagship models.

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Old 19 January 2010, 03:09 AM   #16
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Old 19 January 2010, 03:53 AM   #17
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Thanks for the explanation... That said, I don't think it would deter me from a nautilus or a similar PP timepiece.
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Old 20 January 2010, 09:42 PM   #18
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Quick Review on the 5711s brother the 5712.When you pull the crown out it slows down the second hand which lets you set it pretty easily . Its not as easy as a Rolex but you get use to it. I checked my watch for accuracy and it was off 4 seconds in 10 days . The daily was running fast about 4 seconds and then slowed down a little when I laid it down at night. The watch is very accurate so far . Its a really nice watch that is very comfortable and the quality is top notch . I would highly recommend one
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Old 20 January 2010, 11:49 PM   #19
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Correct. And although it is possible to stop the second hand by rotating the minute hand backward, it is a very awkward way to set the watch. Further, the Caliber 324 S C (used in the 5711 series) is notorious for having the second hand jump a few seconds once the crown is pushed back in.

Not the best way to try to get accuracy.
I did not know you could actually stop the second hand . Thanks for the tip
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Someone at Timezone PP forum did a 2 week accuracy test between Lange 1 / PP 5711 / Rolex Sub (or GMT)...forgive me as I'm recalling this from memory

Lange 1 (purchased used and not serviced for several years) deviated about +15 seconds per day

PP 5711 +10 seconds per day

Rolex was about +4 seconds per day
I'm sure this had more to do with regulation than anything else.
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10 years ago, almost to the day, this was the talk of the forum...
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Old 25 January 2020, 06:27 AM   #22
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I was so shocked to learn that the Patek Philippe 5711 Nautilus is non hacking!

What's the reason for this? Surely to guage how accurate a movement can be, it needs the second hand to stop whilst setting the time...?

Such a huge price for something generally considered "the best in the world" & it doesn't have this simple feature...??!
As of around April-June of 2019 the 5711 comes with the upgraded 26-330 SC movement that does feature hacking seconds. Prior to Spring 2019, the 5711 had the 324 SC movement, which didn’t have hacking seconds. This is an obvious case of better late than never.
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Patek seems lazy with their movements. Non hacking and too small for the casein others (5196).
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10 years ago, almost to the day, this was the talk of the forum...
and patek still did not fix it
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Old 25 January 2020, 07:38 AM   #25
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The new movement does have the hacking feature. I prefer a watch with this function as it allows accurate setting. The Lange Perpetual actually resets to zero seconds when the crown is pulled out. A feature all watches should also have. Pain to wait on the seconds hand to set.
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Patek Philippe watches - NON HACKING!

If a couple of seconds count you don t deserve a Patek.

OP no worry, life is still okay even w/o hacking If u want perfection please buy a Toyota and a Seiko.
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If a couple of seconds count you don t deserve a Patek.
Lol. What are you saying?

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It has never bothered me, I can apply back pressure to "hack" for timekeeping performance. The last time I checked my 5711 was +2 per day.
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Old 25 January 2020, 08:09 AM   #29
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Lol. What are you saying?

Means op can't get a patek otherwise he wouldn't be a kill joy

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