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watchspike · 25 January 2020, 12:08 PM

As per the title of the thread, just wondering when do people class a watch as vintage? I've heard 25 years is the magic number which puts my 16700 firmly in the classic vintage territory.

I'm looking to get a Kermit sometime this year hopefully but wasn't sure if discussion about them should be on here or the vintage thread? Earliest examples are coming up to being 17 years old. If only I had the foresight to save up and buy one back then.

Dr.Stu · 25 January 2020, 12:33 PM

Technically, the correct usage of "vintage" should be used with a year (and for wine), e.g., "this wine is vintage 2011", but "my car (or something else) is vintage 1999" is OK now, too.

Informally, if it's too old to be considered modern, but not old enough to be considered antique, it's "vintage". I think the time varies with each item/area/person, but for watches, I think of "vintage" as being over 30ish years old.

037 · 25 January 2020, 01:24 PM

In Rolex collector parlance, vintage is typically anything with an acrylic crystal or older. I suspect that's because a 16700, for example, didn't change over its production cycle and it becomes confusing to call a 1988 16700 vintage and a 1998 16700 classic.

I'd put the 16760 GMT in vintage territory myself since its entire production run ended over 30 years ago. I see the 16700 as a classic.

It's not a hard and fast rule but one interpretation.

ryanboude · 25 January 2020, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 037

In Rolex collector parlance, vintage is typically anything with an acrylic crystal or older. I suspect that's because a 16700, for example, didn't change over its production cycle and it becomes confusing to call a 1988 16700 vintage and a 1998 16700 classic.

I'd put the 16760 GMT in vintage territory myself since its entire production run ended over 30 years ago. I see the 16700 as a classic.

It's not a hard and fast rule but one interpretation.

Really nice thought process. This makes a lot of sense and is easy to distinguish.

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Dr. Robert · 25 January 2020, 02:45 PM

Four digit.....vintage
Five digit......neo-vintage

007timer · 25 January 2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Four digit.....vintage
Five digit......neo-vintage

I tend to agree with this classification.

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mttb · 25 January 2020, 08:15 PM

ADs SA commented on my DJ I bought ten yrs ago as vintage, so there’s that

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Kingface66 · 26 January 2020, 12:14 AM

stmoore · 26 January 2020, 01:00 AM

When it leaves the steering wheel photos and your watch and your degree threads in the modern forum and joins the is this a good investment thread here

Kingface66 · 26 January 2020, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stmoore

When it leaves the steering wheel photos and your watch and your degree threads in the modern forum and joins the is this a good investment thread here

Are those clowns STILL posting “your watch with your degree” pics over there??

TurboTim14 · 26 January 2020, 01:31 AM

I think everyone has their own opinion on it and there is no universal standard. What I consider vintage is a watch with plastic crystal or 4 digit ref. So I would say pre 1990.

athom · 26 January 2020, 02:05 AM

That is a question no one can answer, so many people asked and there is just no solution...For me vintage watches are" no white gold surroundings" and acrylic !

Tools · 26 January 2020, 04:26 AM

Most of these people are no-good liars.

There is no definition of vintage, as it pertains to watches. We may opine to our hearts content.

Dan S · 26 January 2020, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

We need a sticky thread just for links to all the threads discussing this question.

vipergts · 26 January 2020, 12:19 PM

for me discontinued model and and white markers with no gold like athom said. i personally consider the 16800 vintage but i know a lot of people consider it modern.

locutus49 · 26 January 2020, 12:33 PM

Let me combine two threads: When is vintage a good investment. lol

Gmt21 · 26 January 2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stmoore

When it leaves the steering wheel photos and your watch and your degree threads in the modern forum and joins the is this a good investment thread here

This makes no sense at all.

Gmt21 · 26 January 2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

Are those clowns STILL posting “your watch with your degree” pics over there??

When you resort to name calling on a watch forum what does that say about YOU?

stmoore · 26 January 2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmt21

This makes no sense at all.

Just think some. It might come to you.

Gmt21 · 26 January 2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stmoore

Just think some. It might come to you.

Nope. If you care to clarify your points of wisdom go ahead.

Kingface66 · 26 January 2020, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmt21

When you resort to name calling on a watch forum what does that say about YOU?

My sincere apologies. I didn’t consider that “clowns” might offend someone’s sensibilities.
And by “someone” I mean those who don’t recognize the utter absurdity of a post dedicated to showing-off their shiny new Rolex next their precious university diploma. What the two have to do with each other is anyone’s guess

rad87gn · 26 January 2020, 08:01 PM

When a 5 series is 50 years old it still won't be considered vintage to most here. lol.

mailman · 26 January 2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Four digit.....vintage
Five digit......neo-vintage

I consider a 16750 with a matte dial vintage

athom · 26 January 2020, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

I consider a 16750 with a matte dial vintage

same same

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Originally Posted by vipergts

for me discontinued model and and white markers with no gold like athom said. i personally consider the 16800 vintage but i know a lot of people consider it modern.

athom · 26 January 2020, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by locutus49

Let me combine two threads: When is vintage a good investment. lol

Burr · 27 January 2020, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

I think it’s tough because it’s different for everyone depending on when you got into the watch market and what was modern for you at that time. That being said, I generally agree with the 4 digit reference vs 5 digit reference that was called out earlier in this thread.

BamaHammer · 27 January 2020, 10:21 AM

Vintage in jeans are bell bottoms, so you know. Thread closed... mic drop

tmfawzy · 27 January 2020, 10:52 AM

I reckon anything older than 25 years could be considered vintage, there is no hard and fast rule.

037 · 27 January 2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mailman

I consider a 16750 with a matte dial vintage

As do I.

OliverD · 27 January 2020, 11:32 PM

Matte 16750's, 16800 and late 5513's are the difficult ones because they have only one of the two characteristics that most people think define vintage (plexi and matte dial).

25 January 2020, 12:08 PM	#1
watchspike "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: UK Posts: 96	When does a watch become vintage? As per the title of the thread, just wondering when do people class a watch as vintage? I've heard 25 years is the magic number which puts my 16700 firmly in the classic vintage territory. I'm looking to get a Kermit sometime this year hopefully but wasn't sure if discussion about them should be on here or the vintage thread? Earliest examples are coming up to being 17 years old. If only I had the foresight to save up and buy one back then.

25 January 2020, 02:45 PM	#5
Dr. Robert 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 61,292	Four digit.....vintage Five digit......neo-vintage __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

26 January 2020, 04:26 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,049	Most of these people are no-good liars. There is no definition of vintage, as it pertains to watches. We may opine to our hearts content. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

26 January 2020, 08:01 PM	#22
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	When a 5 series is 50 years old it still won't be considered vintage to most here. lol. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

25 January 2020, 12:33 PM	#2
Dr.Stu 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: New York City Posts: 530	Technically, the correct usage of "vintage" should be used with a year (and for wine), e.g., "this wine is vintage 2011", but "my car (or something else) is vintage 1999" is OK now, too. Informally, if it's too old to be considered modern, but not old enough to be considered antique, it's "vintage". I think the time varies with each item/area/person, but for watches, I think of "vintage" as being over 30ish years old.

25 January 2020, 01:24 PM	#3
037 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 6,171	In Rolex collector parlance, vintage is typically anything with an acrylic crystal or older. I suspect that's because a 16700, for example, didn't change over its production cycle and it becomes confusing to call a 1988 16700 vintage and a 1998 16700 classic. I'd put the 16760 GMT in vintage territory myself since its entire production run ended over 30 years ago. I see the 16700 as a classic. It's not a hard and fast rule but one interpretation.

25 January 2020, 08:15 PM	#7
mttb "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: San Francisco Posts: 48	ADs SA commented on my DJ I bought ten yrs ago as vintage, so there’s that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

26 January 2020, 12:14 AM	#8
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26 January 2020, 01:00 AM	#9
stmoore Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: US Watch: Gilt Posts: 1,592	When it leaves the steering wheel photos and your watch and your degree threads in the modern forum and joins the is this a good investment thread here

26 January 2020, 01:31 AM	#11
TurboTim14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Illinois Posts: 267	I think everyone has their own opinion on it and there is no universal standard. What I consider vintage is a watch with plastic crystal or 4 digit ref. So I would say pre 1990.

26 January 2020, 02:05 AM	#12
athom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 688	That is a question no one can answer, so many people asked and there is just no solution...For me vintage watches are" no white gold surroundings" and acrylic !

26 January 2020, 12:19 PM	#15
vipergts "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: PA Posts: 243	for me discontinued model and and white markers with no gold like athom said. i personally consider the 16800 vintage but i know a lot of people consider it modern.

26 January 2020, 12:33 PM	#16
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	Let me combine two threads: When is vintage a good investment. lol

27 January 2020, 10:21 AM	#27
BamaHammer Banned Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: South Carolina Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 146	Vintage in jeans are bell bottoms, so you know. Thread closed... mic drop

27 January 2020, 10:52 AM	#28
tmfawzy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Tunku Mahmood Location: Malaysia Watch: 16600 Posts: 23	I reckon anything older than 25 years could be considered vintage, there is no hard and fast rule.

27 January 2020, 11:32 PM	#30
OliverD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK Posts: 68	Matte 16750's, 16800 and late 5513's are the difficult ones because they have only one of the two characteristics that most people think define vintage (plexi and matte dial).

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