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billyhsat · 14 July 2016, 12:14 PM

Hi all,

I just purchased a 1680 SN 2421xxx. I have some doubt as to it's authenticity. I believe at the best it has a service dial. Any help is greatly appreciated. I apologize for the sideways shots--can't figure out how to rotate them!

William

freefly · 14 July 2016, 01:58 PM

I am guessing this is the auction you won:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Rolex-1...-/322153054913 ?

Watchgroupcorp strikes again!

There are SEVERAL issues with that watch (fake dial, fake case, etc.). I'd get your money back if possible.

Might want to read this thread too:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=484054

cht · 14 July 2016, 03:01 PM

So....you spent $8,500 without even knowing what you are buying?

Why would you do that?

Only thing that looks gen to me is the movement.

good luck

crowncollection · 14 July 2016, 05:07 PM

We tried to warn people return it ASAP

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TimeToGo · 14 July 2016, 11:11 PM

Welcome to the Forum!

Start a dispute to return an item received not as described (FAKE) and get a refund for the purchase.

droptopman · 14 July 2016, 11:19 PM

Sorry to hear this. Good luck on a resolution.

dysondiver · 14 July 2016, 11:22 PM

the listing does not say that the case for example is original ,,, clever wording in the description
but get the dispute started very quickly ,
e bay are not helping their reputation or peoples confidence , they could do so much more.
welcome to the forum too.

Knappo 1307 · 15 July 2016, 12:45 AM

Also looks like this watchgroupcorp only accepts paypal under 2k. I hope the OP paid with a credit card and not wire transfer. On a side note Watchgroupcorp is owned by I believe Tim Strong,( his name on his TRF acct. before being banned), I wonder if all the groups he is a member of (NAWCC, IWJG, and AWCI) know he deals in fakes?

bdex75 · 15 July 2016, 12:57 AM

Oh boy. Welcome to the forum. Sorry you had to find us this way.

As stated, get the process with eBay/PayPal/CC started ASAP.

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schaumburgla · 15 July 2016, 03:09 AM

As others have stated use this forum BEFORE you send the $$ :(
Best in getting this resolved
JS

freefly · 15 July 2016, 08:22 AM

Just FYI, watchgroupcorp has now changed his eBay ID to: superiorvintagewatches

Looks like he (Tim Strong) has had several different "aliases" previously as well:

watchgroupinc

wyobullion

watchescentral-tv

watch-shoppe

testigo2010

billyhsat · 15 July 2016, 08:39 AM

All, thanks so much for your input and advice. I initiated the return on Ebay yesterday (paid with cc) and the seller accepted the return. I printed the Ebay postal label and shipped today. I'll keep all advised. I'll never buy another Rollie without coming here first!!!

DevinH · 15 July 2016, 08:45 AM

Crappy situation for sure. But I'm confused. For that kind of money you could have probably easily found a AD that either had what your looking for in stock or been able to source one for you. I just couldn't imagine buying a Rolex or any expensive watch off eBay. That's just me though. Lesson learned for you. I hope.

freefly · 15 July 2016, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinH

Crappy situation for sure. But I'm confused. For that kind of money you could have probably easily found a AD that either had what your looking for in stock or been able to source one for you.

I could be wrong, but I don't think many ADs are going to have any 1680 red Subs left in stock, lol...

J!m · 15 July 2016, 09:22 AM

Just spend 10'minutes here looking at photos before you buy next time.

That case is the typical "aftermarket" offering with the crown guards shaped totally wrong. Then there's the lack of corrosion on the back (which is possible) and lack of any bracelet wear- that is a huge red flag because you see signs of bracelet wear in a couple months so no way the original broke and it was then on a strap for 45 years...

I didn't even bother zooming in on the dial.

Knappo 1307 · 15 July 2016, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Just FYI, watchgroupcorp has now changed his eBay ID to: superiorvintagewatches

Looks like he (Tim Strong) has had several different "aliases" previously as well:

watchgroupinc

wyobullion

watchescentral-tv

watch-shoppe

testigo2010

Nice work, thanks for the headsup....

crowncollection · 15 July 2016, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefly

Just FYI, watchgroupcorp has now changed his eBay ID to: superiorvintagewatches

Looks like he (Tim Strong) has had several different "aliases" previously as well:

watchgroupinc

wyobullion

watchescentral-tv

watch-shoppe

testigo2010

Great work i think this is a good reason we don't give out too much info in this section. He likely was fishing for info on how to improve his fakes as he been posting in this section recently

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JerimiahLee · 17 July 2016, 10:20 PM

Not this one! Buyer, I am hoping for a speedy recovery of your funds!

billyhsat · 27 July 2016, 02:34 AM

All, thanks so much for your support and interest. The seller was very understanding and very professional when addressing my concerns. End result--I was issued a full refund.

marcusjcw21 · 27 July 2016, 02:54 AM

Good news. All is well that ends well.

lapince · 17 October 2016, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyhsat

All, thanks so much for your support and interest. The seller was very understanding and very professional when addressing my concerns. End result--I was issued a full refund.

Great, of course I guess guys who sell fakes give the money back when they are caught, but for 1 time when they get caught how many times they get away with it???

14 July 2016, 05:07 PM	#4
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14 July 2016, 11:19 PM	#6
droptopman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Mark Location: Washington State Watch: SUBS and GMT's! Posts: 9,664	Sorry to hear this. Good luck on a resolution. __________________ Judge Smails: Ty, what did you shoot today? Ty: Oh, Judge, I don't keep score. Judge Smails: Then how do you measure yourself with other golfers? Ty: By height.

15 July 2016, 03:09 AM	#10
schaumburgla 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Justin S. Location: Southeastern U.S. Watch: 5513 Sub Posts: 763	Ugh Sickening! Sorry you got taken advantage of As others have stated use this forum BEFORE you send the $$ :( Best in getting this resolved JS

14 July 2016, 01:58 PM	#2
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	I am guessing this is the auction you won: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Rolex-1...-/322153054913 ? Watchgroupcorp strikes again! There are SEVERAL issues with that watch (fake dial, fake case, etc.). I'd get your money back if possible. Might want to read this thread too: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=484054

14 July 2016, 03:01 PM	#3
cht 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: San antonio, TX Watch: 116610LV Posts: 2,138	So....you spent $8,500 without even knowing what you are buying? Why would you do that? Only thing that looks gen to me is the movement. good luck

14 July 2016, 11:11 PM	#5
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,599	Welcome to the Forum! Start a dispute to return an item received not as described (FAKE) and get a refund for the purchase.

14 July 2016, 11:22 PM	#7
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	the listing does not say that the case for example is original ,,, clever wording in the description but get the dispute started very quickly , e bay are not helping their reputation or peoples confidence , they could do so much more. welcome to the forum too.

15 July 2016, 12:45 AM	#8
Knappo 1307 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,557	Also looks like this watchgroupcorp only accepts paypal under 2k. I hope the OP paid with a credit card and not wire transfer. On a side note Watchgroupcorp is owned by I believe Tim Strong,( his name on his TRF acct. before being banned), I wonder if all the groups he is a member of (NAWCC, IWJG, and AWCI) know he deals in fakes?

15 July 2016, 12:57 AM	#9
bdex75 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Brandon Location: Indianapolis Watch: my money vanish Posts: 8,506	Oh boy. Welcome to the forum. Sorry you had to find us this way. As stated, get the process with eBay/PayPal/CC started ASAP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 July 2016, 08:22 AM	#11
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Just FYI, watchgroupcorp has now changed his eBay ID to: superiorvintagewatches Looks like he (Tim Strong) has had several different "aliases" previously as well: watchgroupinc wyobullion watchescentral-tv watch-shoppe testigo2010

15 July 2016, 08:39 AM	#12
billyhsat "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: William Location: San Antonio Watch: 14060, 16613 Posts: 46	All, thanks so much for your input and advice. I initiated the return on Ebay yesterday (paid with cc) and the seller accepted the return. I printed the Ebay postal label and shipped today. I'll keep all advised. I'll never buy another Rollie without coming here first!!!

15 July 2016, 08:45 AM	#13
DevinH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Georgia Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 437	Crappy situation for sure. But I'm confused. For that kind of money you could have probably easily found a AD that either had what your looking for in stock or been able to source one for you. I just couldn't imagine buying a Rolex or any expensive watch off eBay. That's just me though. Lesson learned for you. I hope.

15 July 2016, 09:22 AM	#15
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,813	Just spend 10'minutes here looking at photos before you buy next time. That case is the typical "aftermarket" offering with the crown guards shaped totally wrong. Then there's the lack of corrosion on the back (which is possible) and lack of any bracelet wear- that is a huge red flag because you see signs of bracelet wear in a couple months so no way the original broke and it was then on a strap for 45 years... I didn't even bother zooming in on the dial.

17 July 2016, 10:20 PM	#18
JerimiahLee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Jerimiah Location: NYC Watch: 5513 Meters 1st Posts: 669	Not this one! Buyer, I am hoping for a speedy recovery of your funds!

27 July 2016, 02:34 AM	#19
billyhsat "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: William Location: San Antonio Watch: 14060, 16613 Posts: 46	All, thanks so much for your support and interest. The seller was very understanding and very professional when addressing my concerns. End result--I was issued a full refund.

27 July 2016, 02:54 AM	#20
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	Good news. All is well that ends well.

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