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I trust just one person; Dr. Anthony Fauci.
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TRFers, we have a fairly large group worldwide on this forum, CAN ANYONE ON HERE SAY THEY PERSONALLY KNOW ANYONE THAT HAD CONTRACTED THIS VIRUS? ANYBODY THAT HAS DIED FROM IT? No, not you co-workers brothers uncle hairdresser, do YOU personally know anyone. Now, do you know anyone that contracted/is battling/died from Cancer? I rest my case. PS Matt, maybe I asked you this before but where in Michigan? I graduated from Cranbrook |
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4 March 2020, 08:33 AM | #785 |
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I trust him also. However there’s way too many people involved in all this for any major player to get away with lying to us so you might want to expand your trust a bit but that’s up to you. I’ve heard Dr. Fauci speak several times a day every day for the last week and I have not heard anything from him that would cause me to even think about panicking let alone panic. In fact I find his reports reassuring.
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I think hand sanitizer is strong enough. My point was hand sanitizer isn’t as effective as washing. A 30 second proper scrub is more effective. The hand sanitizer is strong enough to kill 99.99% but the way people use it doesn’t help get at pathogens under fingernails and the backs of hands. Too many people substitute it for washing IMHO. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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This just in (aggregated date:)
World health officials say the case fatality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-...y-thought.html
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You’re also in a good climate I do believe it plays a factor. SF, always cold and moist argh.
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However, there are ways to reduce risk. Those include avoiding unnecessary direct contact with potentially infected people (handshakes, hugs, etc.) and washing our hands to reduce the likelihood of picking up the virus from contaminated surfaces and transferring them to our airways. It's harder to avoid sharing air with someone who is unknowingly infected, but you can reduce exposure by limiting unnecessary interaction for a period of time. These are the predominant ways this class of virus is transmitted between humans. I'm reasonably certain that my wife and I as well as our kids could weather an infection and come out okay. I'm not so sure about the older and/or sicker folks I may interact with as part of my work. But I personally will take these precautions to spare myself a nasty respiratory tract infection, and maybe to spare someone less fortunate from a worse fate. |
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There are other sanitizing products cleared from the shelves where I live, which is close to 3-4 hospitals. The nurses and doctors know what to get. It's the same stuff we use in the lab.
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I’m still going with South Korea data and princess data Puts rate at 0.5% The USA has 100 positive tests and 10 deaths so the fatality rate must be 10% WTF??? |
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What products are you speaking of ?
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Pretty depressing.
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The only sources I'm trusting right now are the WHO and the CDC/NIH. Dr. Anthony Fauci is beyond reproach in the information he releases on behalf of the National Institutes of Health.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci is the bar.
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The WHO is severely compromised by China. I would reconsider them as a trusted source Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The reporting by CNBC & CNN isn’t because of a WHO news release. Instead, WHO held a live press briefing to give the reporters their viewpoints. Here is how it was reported by CNBC: During a press briefing Monday, WHO officials said they don’t know how COVID-19 behaves, saying it’s not like influenza. They added that while much is known about the seasonal flu, such as how it’s transmitted and what treatments work to suppress the disease, that same information is still in question when it comes to the coronavirus. “This is a unique virus, with unique features. This virus is not influenza,” Tedros said Monday. “We are in uncharted territory.” Then today: World health officials said Tuesday the mortality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%. “Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing at the agency’s headquarters in Geneva. In comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected, he said. So the WHO quotes aren’t from news releases but from daily press briefings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Medical researchers now seem to think that coronavirus affects not only the respiratory system but also the central neurological system--the brain.
For instance, this new article says "Increasing evidence shows that coronavriruses are not always confined to the respiratory tract and that they may also invade the central nervous system inducing neurological diseases": https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/jmv.25728 |
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Eunice Yoon
“Experts...unanimously agreed that these results suggest that the dog has a low-level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission.” #HongKong #coronavirus https://mobile.twitter.com/onlyyoontv
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“The infection of SARS‐CoV has been reported in the brains from both patients and experimental animals, where the brainstem was heavily infected.” That has been known for quite a while - that is, when the original SARS victims that died were studied. That outbreak began in 2003. The authors are noting the similarity of SARS-CoV sequencing within the SARS‐CoV-2 gene (the current Wuhan coronavirus strain). So this COVID-19 “Might” also lead to brain infection. It is a good thing for them to report, but only helpful to the immunologists who are choosing effective anti-viral gene sequences for a new vaccine - or ICU’s who have very ill patients. For us, the preventative steps remain the same, as well as our own treatment of mild cases. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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I do have some experience with Eastern Equine Encephalitis, which predominantly affects horses but can also be transferred to humans via mosquitoes. It was a big deal in my part of Michigan last year. I saw one case and the involvement was severe. Statistically with EEE involvement of the brain, 35% of patients will die and another 35% will survive but have permanent damage. Pretty much if you can see the involvement of the brain on a macroscopic level, the prognosis isn't good. I assume there are a small cohort of patients who are symptomatic, test positive when spinal fluid is sampled, but manage to escape relatively unscathed. It all depends on the interplay of the virus and immune system. Let's hope that this does not become a common manifestation of COVID-19. Based on what we know so far, it isn't. |
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Damage to the medullary cardiorespiratory center from the mechano‐ and chemoreceptors in the lung and lower respiratory airways. In short, the loss of command over autonomously breathing. (Edit: Let me add that I pulled that from the report cited in the post I quote.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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