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Old 7 December 2022, 02:59 AM   #1
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<<< Penalty Kicks and behavior >>>

Since we may see a few games at the World Cup decided on penalty kicks, I got to thinking … how do shooters and goalie decide on where the kick is going?

Perhaps,it comes down to behavioral bias as the article suggests… I thought this was interesting.

https://westwoodgroup.com/weeklyblog...m-of-inaction/

You can choose to ignore the financial part … there are enough threads on that subject
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Old 7 December 2022, 03:47 AM   #2
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And …. Two goals right down the middle
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Old 7 December 2022, 04:05 AM   #3
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Interesting article and analogy.

As a hockey player and fan (and not a soccer fan) I find the penalty shot in soccer as an entirely different animal than a penalty shot in hockey since the soccer version is basically a static choice perhaps based on having the book on the opposition. Their tendencies. Obviously the advantage goes to the shooter, mainly because of the size of the nets.

In hockey generally the skater comes in on the goalie and his strategy is to get the goalie to make the first move, commit himself, and the skater reacts and scores. He achieves this by dekes or shifting his body or stick handling to get the goalie to bite. I think the success rate is something like 30%. And the goalie has far less net to cover. 6 ft x 4 ft.

The investment analogy is an interesting study of human behavior. I doubt that before computers, investors were so second by second, or minute by minute or even day by day on their stocks. They essentially made a choice and let it ride. Perhaps today the illusion of being in control is just a hype.
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Interesting article and analogy.

As a hockey player and fan (and not a soccer fan) I find the penalty shot in soccer as an entirely different animal than a penalty shot in hockey since the soccer version is basically a static choice perhaps based on having the book on the opposition. Their tendencies. Obviously the advantage goes to the shooter, mainly because of the size of the nets.

In hockey generally the skater comes in on the goalie and his strategy is to get the goalie to make the first move, commit himself, and the skater reacts and scores. He achieves this by dekes or shifting his body or stick handling to get the goalie to bite. I think the success rate is something like 30%.


I wonder if there’s a study in hockey on going five hole vs. deke, vs. shoot for a corner.

A buddy of mine played goal in JR. A in the O and always said the toughest thing for him to stop in a penalty shot was the five hole.
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I wonder if there’s a study in hockey on going five hole vs. deke, vs. shoot for a corner.

A buddy of mine played goal in JR. A in the O and always said the toughest thing for him to stop in a penalty shot was the five hole.
Yeah, the 5 hole (between the legs) is probably the hardest to cover for the simple reason that the shooter will make you move side to side even a little bit and the 5 hole will open up as the goalie has to shift his legs apart.

Of course now with the length of the pads and the height of the goalie, its so much easier to butterfly, and keep the body erect and almost no holes.

This is what the goalie silhouette looked like in 1972 vs today.
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All I can say is hockey shoot outs are so much more entertaining than football. A live hockey shootout at the arena in the playoffs…hard to beat. It’s a show.
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In hockey generally the skater comes in on the goalie and his strategy is to get the goalie to make the first move, commit himself, and the skater reacts and scores. He achieves this by dekes or shifting his body or stick handling to get the goalie to bite.
So how did Gordon Bombay fail the triple deke?
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So how did Gordon Bombay fail the triple deke?
I don't think I ever watched a Mighty Ducks movie so not sure on that one.

Interestingly due to Wayne Gretzky getting traded from Edmonton to LA and all the hoopla that brought, and how kids in Southern California all wanted to be Wayne Gretzky, hockey caught on in warmer climates in a big way.

The resurgence of interest in LA, then Anaheim, then San Jose and even in southern warmer climates.

https://contently.com/2015/03/19/the...rketing-stunt/
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I don't think I ever watched a Mighty Ducks movie so not sure on that one.

Interestingly due to Wayne Gretzky getting traded from Edmonton to LA and all the hoopla that brought, and how kids in Southern California all wanted to be Wayne Gretzky, hockey caught on in warmer climates in a big way.

The resurgence of interest in LA, then Anaheim, then San Jose and even in southern warmer climates.

https://contently.com/2015/03/19/the...rketing-stunt/
Yep love him or hate him, the NHL owes a lot to Wayne IMHO.
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Watching to see who kicks it down the middle
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