$15k Decision..Need Some Help

[Marcjvr]

Go grey for now. Then flip the sub when the AD eventually delivers, to get some of your money back

[ce027772]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Go grey for now. Then flip the sub when the AD eventually delivers, to get some of your money back

Not "when", but "if".

[MrMercedes]

Originally Posted by BillhymerMD

Don’t waste your time with the AD…buy what you want from a good Grey if you have the money. Time itself is the one thing you can’t ever get back.

[ce027772]

Originally Posted by GONZO2LR

Just wait Man!!!!!...it will be on your wrist before you know it...

As early as tomorrow, if you go grey. Otherwise, no guarantee. If you get lucky, maybe 2-3 years.

To answer the question, I would not buy any watches just to get higher on the mythical waiting list, which doesn't really exist, as many have learned.

[MJZRolex]

I think you should just be patient and wait for the Sub. You can always go grey market if things don’t work out with the AD. Just give it some time.

[onefishtaco]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Go grey for now. Then flip the sub when the AD eventually delivers, to get some of your money back

This. Best of both worlds... don't settle for the one you don't want, you'll lose a bit on the Tudor anyways when you get bored and/or sell it because your sub came.

[swish77]

Get the Sub, either from the AD or secondary market. Never settle.

Also, that new Tudor chrono, while handsome, has a design flaw. For a couple of hours each day that fat hour hand obscures the sub-dials, making the chrono difficult to use.

[Rado63]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

Go grey for now. Then flip the sub when the AD eventually delivers, to get some of your money back

I feel this is good advice.

[Lesnerelli23]

Don’t pay $15k for a Sub.

[subprimero]

Wait. Tudor is not the first name I think of when I think of chronographs.

[Oyster Sauce]

The Tudor Chrono won't make much a difference as far as establishing a purchase history is concerned. The main thing that I'd be interested in is if purchasing the Tudor would hurt your place in line for the Sub. If not, and if you like the Tudor, my approach would be:

1. Buy and enjoy Tudor Chrono now from the AD. Excellent watch, and will pair nicely with a Sub.
2. Wait and buy the Sub at retail from the AD. It will eventually happen.

Best wishes

[franktehtank]

It would be a nice pair to have both the Tudor chrono and the sub. Talk with your AD, I'm sure they'll be happy to take more of your money. The only way you can determine this is by having a discussion with them.

[Golf&Watches]

Originally Posted by sboyer

I have a friend who is a VIP at our local AD. I told my friend about 6 months ago I wanted a black date sub to commemorate finishing my MBA. He introduced me to his AD and we hit it off well. The AD told me back in May that he thought I could get the watch by Christmas. I have no purchase history with the AD but my friend is a VIP there and he basically vouched for me.

Fast forward to now, and I talked to the AD and he said that it may not happen by the end of the year but he hasn’t forgotten about me and he said I’ll get it eventually.

Currently, I’ve got just over $15k in my watch fund. I’m thinking about going grey and it looks like brand new black subs are roughly $15K on the grey market. An alternative option that I just started to consider is to get a Tudor Black Bay Chrono (panda dial) from my AD now, which would increase my purchase history, and perhaps get me closer to a Sub..maybe. The Tudor Black Bay Chrono + a Date Sub (both at MSRP) is roughly $15k.

1. Do you guys think the Tudor Black Bay Chrono is an available watch that will help with purchase history and expedite the sub? I really like it and don’t own any chronographs. Or is that watch just as difficult to source at MSRP and it won’t help my chances at getting a Sub.
2. Or should I just say screw it and go grey and be done with it?

Ask the SA if the Tudor purchase would help with regards to the Sub

[Seddyspaghetti]

Wait for the sub. Give it a few more months before you go gray.

[scubadiver6]

I'm in the same boat as you - also in the Chicago area - and wanting the same watch (for me, 126610LN)....

My AD told me flat out that unless I'm going to buy something else (jewelry, other brand watch, etc.), to forget about it... I won't get one until Rolex inventory is plentiful everywhere, or I spend very serious money on other items in the store... He was not rude - just honest.

I even offered to pay for the watch in full, and they won't even take my money.... They won't even pretend to take my name for "the list".

If we want the sub, its gray market or nothing....

I'm probably going gray because I don't want a Rolex collection, so I'll never build a "real" relationship with an AD. I just want the sub date.

My only reservation is I've never even seen a 126610 in person.... I have to spend the cash just to try one on.... Know of any place in Chicago where they have a not-for-sale demo on the floor?

[crew]

Here’s the hard truth: There is no shortage, but there is strong demand. AD’s are getting deliveries regularly and the Submariner is probably one of their most frequent shipments. For whatever reason, and there could be many, your AD has decided it’s not your time to get one. At least not yet, and maybe no time soon.
I’d probably wait until Christmas and then go grey if I really wanted one and could stomach paying almost 2X retail.

[antelope]

Originally Posted by sboyer

Thank you all, I think I just needed some other people to tell me to relax and be patient. I’ll give it a few more months until February and then touch base with him again if I haven’t received any updates. I’m not in any specific hurry, I just hate watching grey market prices steadily climb with no apparent end in sight, but I’ve got faith in this AD. He’s a really nice guy and I do think he will come through

Worth the wait and dont settle Sounds like you are being treated right and a few months go by fast. Congrats on MBA.

[K12123]

I like that Tudor. If you genuinely like it, I would assume that it can only help...if you can get your hands on it that is. Congrats on getting your MBA.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by HHIslander

I'd wait a little longer, give him until end of Feb or so. If your friend is truly a VIP, then it should happen by then.

+1. Although I’d give another full year.

[whattimeyougot]

Go grey.


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[faz]

Originally Posted by m j b

look at it as two different transactions: Do you want the tudor?

Do you want the sub enough to pay a premium, or wait?

I don't think the "history" will mean beans to the ad. Don't play that game.

+100

[173rdabn]

Exercise patience, breathe deeply and calm down. The Sub will come, and the Tudor is a great watch to keep your interest.

[Farsh14]

I think there’s better chronos for less $$ than the Tudor offering. Pretty ready to go as far as to say that statement is a fact

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by Farsh14

I think there’s better chronos for less $$ than the Tudor offering. Pretty ready to go as far as to say that statement is a fact

Really?

Could you give an example?

Personally I don’t think you can beat Tudor quality for the price.

They are the original most bang per buck manufacturer imho


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[CoveWatch]

Being patient is fine, but personally, if you know thats THE watch you want then I'd go grey and get it on my wrist asap to enjoy. At this point you're down to two likely scenarios.. one day you get the call for the sub, great! Buy it and sell the grey one and you're golden. Now, maybe you won't get the call, well then you've been enjoying the sub this whole time so no regrets. jmo

[wcs2229]

Don't compromise on what you really want ... it will only lead to regret later.

[faz]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Really?

Could you give an example?

Personally I don’t think you can beat Tudor quality for the price.

They are the original most bang per buck manufacturer imho


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Tudor's movement is a Breitling movement, yes? Breitling itself has got a few chronographs that would be a good consideration.

Alternatively, Longines Spirit chronograph (blue sunburst dial, gorgeous), Sinn chronographs, Omega planet ocean chrono, never mind the Speedy itself.

There are lots of alternatives to Tudor's chronograph, if one is looking for a chrono. Are they better than Tudor, or similarly priced, or ... one can do some research. But they are out there.

[rkny]

Spend a day calling every AD within a direct 2 hour flight from your location to theirs. Tell them what you’re looking for. Don’t tell them you’re from out of state.

A bunch of them will tell you to come in and meet them. Skip those guys. Keep calling. With some luck, eventually you’ll get a dealer or two who is easy to talk to and straightforward. Ask them to take your contact info.

Again, with some luck, you might get the call sooner than you think. Then you can just book a flight to go pick up your watch. Even after buying a first class ticket, you’ll still have saved several thousand dollars over gray market prices.

I blanket called every AD in NYC/Westchester/NJ last month and got a ND Sub within 2 weeks.

[hornetrb]

I would pay the gray market price and get what you want. When you compromise, it never gives you the same feeling.

I actually like Tudors and have one that I wear a ton. It's my beater, but came well after my first 3 Rolex watches. If this will be your everyday watch, get what you want.

[Flipmarine2k]

Sounds like you're close. I would wait it out