Pepsi trashed the blro !!!!!!!!!!!!

[faz]

I must say as much as I love the idea of being able to afford a ceramic Pepsi dial as the WG was out of my reach, I can't help but feel Rolex's decision to release a SS version is like backstabbing their WG owners.

It also affects the old 16710 owners.... it was cool to own a historic SS version and an added bonus that the closest new watch is a high end PM watch. Now that bonus is gone, with the closest new watch being a newer SS version.

[037]

Originally Posted by Speed

Folks keep saying the lugs are slimmer...

But I cannot perceive any difference!

In real-life photos it looks like the SS BLRO case is more rectangular. If the new Jubilee is 21mm at the endlinks, it wouldn't take much to push the lugs out 0.5mm on each side while retaining the same lug widths.

I'll put money on it being 21mm up top and not fitting the older cases. That puts it in line with the 21mm DJ 41 Super Jubilee bracelets, albeit with different features.

[Mdp789]

So who going to buy the new blue dial wg gmt


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[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by lmcgbaj

I am ready at 16k. Is that too much to ask?

Some people here would be really pissed if WG BLRO goes that low; count me in if it does!


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[donq]

Originally Posted by Jim Smyth

Its like a Harley...........if I had to explain you wouldnt understand.

Great example and a cautionary tale for Rolex!

In the early nineties Harley’s were hard to find.
You put down your money down at the dealership and waited up to a year to pick up your bike.

Used bikes often sold at or above MSRP. (Sound familiar?)

Harley’s were in demand and so they built a new factory and made more and more of them. And the customers were happy because there were no more waiting lists and dealers couldn’t ask for MSRP + anymore.

They forced the dealers to build fancy boutiques and enforced prices to try to offset the drop in value.

Now the dealers have unsold stock sitting on the showroom floor, and resale value on a ten year old Harley is comparable to a ten year old car. They are no longer rare and special and sought after, and the value reflects that.

Harley just closed one of their factories and cut production.
They say their customers are aging out of the bike market, and younger people just aren’t buying bikes like they used to.
Many parallels to mechanical watches!

[AK797]

Originally Posted by SaddleSC

It will be interesting to see which happens first...either the BLRO will start dropping to the $19K range or lower AND at the same time the new SS Pepsi will be commanding huge premiums on the secondary market, so it may easily exceed your $16K figure when it is first released.

My guess is that the first SS version that DavidSW lists for sale will be $17K

Think that is low, bragging rights for rich kids will make it over $20K, in UK it will be for sure.

[wesleyvs]

I think the steel pepsi will also be available with oyster one day when the LN and BLNR are replace by new models.
Don't think all steel GMT's from now on will only be available with jubilee bracelets. They are just waiting for the old stock of WG BLRO's with oyster bracelets to be sold...

Cheers

[cdbeaver66]

I am sure I read somewhere that the BLRO bezel was quite costly to make, therefore was only used on a PM model. I also read that the BLRO was not a big seller. If these statements are true, are Rolex using the bezel on the cheaper SS just to shift? and willing to take a 'loss' at the same time?

[sunnyd]

First off, I get the frustration of current BLRO owners, but is it really any different than what Rolex did with the Daytona C? The ceramic bezel used to be on PM daytonas only, and now it's available (if you can get one) on SS models.

[DmXmD]

Originally Posted by Ravager135

I am eager to hear your perspective on this. I do not own any precious metal Rolex watches, but part of me says, who cares. People who buy white gold do so because they know what it is on their wrist and do not care what anyone else thinks. The WG BLRO is still a really cool watch. That means something.

That said, Rolex is well known for keeping bezels and dials exclusive to certain models to incentivize their purchase. I felt that even a Coke bezel in stainless steel was a disservice to WG BLRO owners. The blue dial added to the WG seems like a "cop out" to keep the model "exclusive." I still think that the Pepsi bezel with a black dial on an Oyster bracelet is the best looking modern GMT-Master II and now it seems like that is an even more exclusive piece as it is no longer available.

People who care bought above their means, and are upset they purchased an "investment" that may not hold its value. The people who bought one becasue they are wealthy collectors, keep it in the watch winder next to their platinum Daytona, and could not care less.

[rjstuf001]

I think you'll see a lot of WG BLRO owners change their dials to blue to stay in the "exclusive" club.

[Sal_UKSheffield]

SS Skydweller - few years after the original release

SS Pepsi after what 3/4 years of BLRO WG

LET THE 2019 predictions begin!!!

SS smurf basel 2019... new movement... has a jublies ever been a factory option on a sub?

[HorologyK]

I love my c Daytona

[garyfromleeds]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Some people here would be really pissed if WG BLRO goes that low; count me in if it does!


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me too

[AS1]

Originally Posted by rjstuf001

I think you'll see a lot of WG BLRO owners change their dials to blue to stay in the "exclusive" club.

i’m sure we’ll see virtually no one do that.

[garyfromleeds]

Originally Posted by rjstuf001

I think you'll see a lot of WG BLRO owners change their dials to blue to stay in the "exclusive" club.

you only really notice the bezels, really would you shell out more cash for a dial change after being taken for a ride ?

[SteelSubmarinerGuy]

Originally Posted by garyfromleeds

Im totally gobsmacked ! the new Pepsi is 10/10 totally superb and long over due to be honest ! but here come the negative and sorry if its not what you want to here but the facts are this !



Rolex have stuffed all the BLRO owners and took them for fools by selling them a premium priced watch and selling almost the same looking watch for a quarter of the price swop the bracelet from a normal ceramic gmt and hey bingo you have a BLRO in all steel !



total joke they did that with the white gold sky dweller owners also not long ago !

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[garyfromleeds]

Originally Posted by AK797

Think that is low, bragging rights for rich kids will make it over $20K, in UK it will be for sure.

I've seen this before with the non ceramic white gold Daytona with the red racing dial, after the new steel ceramic model came out demand went crazy for it and still is to a point of where theres little difference in buying a used white gold Daytona or a new steel ceramic Daytona .

used white gold at 50% off or pay 50 to 80% over on a steel model its a no brainer to me gold all the way , just the white gold models are dire sellers everyone I speak too says the same .

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by lecorsaire

The Sky-Dweller situation is worse. It was marketed as a PM watch and all of a sudden not only is it available in SS but all of the PM exclusive Roman and Arabic dials are gone.

Good points; we can only wonder if the exclusivity of the DayDate as a PM only watch will eventually go away too!


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[masyv6]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Good points; we can only wonder if the exclusivity of the DayDate as a PM only watch will eventually go away too!


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That will be a very, very sad day indeed.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by diracpoint

If the numeral dials are gone, as an owner I'll be very very happy,

It seems the case.

[rebel_1]

I can understand the frustration but it seems more non WG owners are frustrated. I’m happy with my WG BLRO. Like others have done, I bought mine pre owned so the big hit from new is a non factor

[emersm]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

Actually, right now if I had a WG BLRO I would be very happy. It's a watch that had a pretty small production run and from a collecting point of view probably makes it even more valuable now and even more special. Especially with the fact that Rolex was very smart to launch the SS BLRO with a different bracelet.

Time will tell.

[Tan]

I feel for the BLRO owners here, the premium for exclusivity has just run out.

[SaddleSC]

Originally Posted by AK797

Think that is low, bragging rights for rich kids will make it over $20K, in UK it will be for sure.

After thinking about it a bit more, I think you are absolutely right, Neil...
$20K or bust for the SS version with it perhaps leveling out at $16-17K after a year or so.

[scrappy]

Originally Posted by rjstuf001

I think you'll see a lot of WG BLRO owners change their dials to blue to stay in the "exclusive" club.

The bracelet style is more obvious than the dial color so the WG very is still very identifiable.

[scrappy]

Originally Posted by Tan

I feel for the BLRO owners here, the premium for exclusivity has just run out.

I suspect many (most?) WG BLRO owners are non-WIS types and will never know or care that a similar version exists in SS.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by scrappy

The bracelet style is more obvious than the dial color so the WG very is still very identifiable.

There is a WG jubilee bracelet (don’t recall reference) so the WG Pepsi GMT owner could achieve the look of the Pepsi GMT steel version; other way around supposely not possible


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[Cutlass]

Hahah

[Stevec14]

I think in 6 months time the wg Pepsi will be the best value of the lot. Maybe In much the same way that the pm Daytona is better value than the SS these days.

Not great news for current owners, but an opportunity for others I guess. I do think that the prices of 16710’s will be stable however, given the likely difficulty of getting one of the new ones.