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Rolexier · 22 March 2018, 04:02 AM

That bubble has well and truly burst about time too

azs.77 · 22 March 2018, 04:03 AM

Ha ha ha ha.. I hope so.

smabe123 · 22 March 2018, 04:04 AM

The only thing that will fix that for good (for models that aren't discontinued) is an increase in supply.

karmatp · 22 March 2018, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smabe123

The only thing that will fix that for good (for models that aren't discontinued) is an increase in supply.

Which will happen.

HL65 · 22 March 2018, 04:13 AM

Let’s see what happens and if supply returns to normal. To say it has burst is a bit premature unless you can show us where you have seen this big price drop.

travisb · 22 March 2018, 04:13 AM

As long as there is short supply, prices will remain high and possibly continue rising. Look at the 116500 Daytona. People thought the premiums were going to settle and now 2 years in they're only going up.

HL65 · 22 March 2018, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by travisb

As long as there is short supply, prices will remain high and possibly continue rising. Look at the 116500 Daytona. People thought the premiums were going to settle and now 2 years in they're only going up.

Exactly

TimeToWatch · 22 March 2018, 04:15 AM

Supply is short and prices are increasing, if anything.

ArtNouveau · 22 March 2018, 04:16 AM

Not sure why the OP has this idea/impression? I've seen nothing to suggest the drought is over.

Naples09 · 22 March 2018, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolexier

That bubble has well and truly burst about time too

Why? Can you please explain?

Wahlberg · 22 March 2018, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by travisb

People thought the premiums were going to settle and now 2 years in they're only going up.

Yeah... in a normal market.

Why don't you mention that Rolex cut back production and/or stopped providing watches to ADs which created a scarcity and which caused ALL (GMT/SUB/Daytona/...) prices to go up.

Just a small nuance....

TimeToWatch · 22 March 2018, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Yeah... in a normal market.

Why don't you mention that Rolex cut back production and/or stopped providing watches to ADs which created a scarcity and which caused ALL (GMT/SUB/Daytona/...) prices to go up.

Just a small nuance....

Why does it matter? The outcome is still the same regardless. Prices are going up and will stay up.

dallastide · 22 March 2018, 04:29 AM

OP please elaborate....

DoctorA · 22 March 2018, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by smabe123

The only thing that will fix that for good (for models that aren't discontinued) is an increase in supply.

Totally agree. Because if we can’t get a hold of what hasn’t been “discontinued” what’s the point?
Daytona is a good example! With the release of skyD last year and with the GMT this year prices continue to be crazy and are only going up since supply is low!!

Token74 · 22 March 2018, 04:35 AM

I see this very differently. Current trend is certainly suggesting otherwise. I have a theory...

Rolex are limiting supply to ensure grey prices are significantly inflated - this sets a standard that will enable Rolex to put prices up without anyone making a big fuss. It's exactly what Patek have done with the Nautilus.

Having done some comparisons with their competitors (on the steel sports models), I believe Rolex are currently exceptionally competitively priced, and this is despite fairly recent increases. And Tudor by the way, even more so!

I can see a big increase happening at some point, although not foolish enough to predict when. For instance, if the Daytona suddenly went up 20% and supply increased overnight, people would buy it without complaint given that they've seen them going for a lot more than that on the grey market, it would still seem cheap! If this happened, grey prices would come down as supply would have increased, so in a sense the OP could be right!

And look at the price of the Deep Sea compared to the AP Offshore Diver. There is a £7k gap between them which is crazy. I'm lucky enough to have recently purchased the Diver and I love it, but it's not THAT much better than a Deep Sea surely?!

Of course, I could be wrong...

Wahlberg · 22 March 2018, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToWatch

Why does it matter? The outcome is still the same regardless. Prices are going up and will stay up.

The watch market was different in 2015-16. No one thought this artificial scarcity + hype would happen which caused the prices to go up.

denmanproject · 22 March 2018, 04:37 AM

Ya, no

MorningTundra · 22 March 2018, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolexier

That bubble has well and truly burst about time too

There is certainly more than one. Are you willing to go out on a limb and be more specific?

vinny84 · 22 March 2018, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by karmatp

Which will happen.

Maybe...maybe not though.

My AD told me Rolex is sending them a smaller display case. Why would Rolex do this if they know they won’t be saturating the market with watches?

rossi46 · 22 March 2018, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolexier

That bubble has well and truly burst about time too

Rolexier · 22 March 2018, 05:26 AM

I would say prices on dwellers blnr hulks etc were a bit over priced inflated in run up to Baselworld many people thinking discontinuation pre Baselworld - now that is not the case and there are more offerings running alongside I can’t see anyone paying pre Baselworld prices for these types ( bar the Daytona ) when there are more options. The market will dictate in coming months the direction however so let’s see what happens but not on non discontinued watches will there be the huge premiums asked I very much doubt

rootbeer7 · 22 March 2018, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Token74

I see this very differently. Current trend is certainly suggesting otherwise. I have a theory...

Rolex are limiting supply to ensure grey prices are significantly inflated - this sets a standard that will enable Rolex to put prices up without anyone making a big fuss. It's exactly what Patek have done with the Nautilus.

Having done some comparisons with their competitors (on the steel sports models), I believe Rolex are currently exceptionally competitively priced, and this is despite fairly recent increases. And Tudor by the way, even more so!

I can see a big increase happening at some point, although not foolish enough to predict when. For instance, if the Daytona suddenly went up 20% and supply increased overnight, people would buy it without complaint given that they've seen them going for a lot more than that on the grey market, it would still seem cheap! If this happened, grey prices would come down as supply would have increased, so in a sense the OP could be right!

And look at the price of the Deep Sea compared to the AP Offshore Diver. There is a £7k gap between them which is crazy. I'm lucky enough to have recently purchased the Diver and I love it, but it's not THAT much better than a Deep Sea surely?!

Of course, I could be wrong...

I’ve said exactly this before. Buy an overpriced Daytona now or wait 3 years and pay the same price then!!

masyv6 · 22 March 2018, 06:59 AM

I'll believe you when I see grey dealers stop selling SS Submariners at/near retail

Or when Rolex ADs have more than Datejusts in their cases

Token74 · 22 March 2018, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rootbeer7

I’ve said exactly this before. Buy an overpriced Daytona now or wait 3 years and pay the same price then!!

Spot on!!

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Watch This · 22 March 2018, 07:44 AM

Artificial scarcity has to cease. Unlikely.

Polarbears · 22 March 2018, 07:59 AM

Basic Economics. These new Tudor and Rolexes will be hard to get. Higher price. Old models no longer produced less available. Higher price.

mahefa · 22 March 2018, 08:07 AM

Rolex is too low priced at the moment, for example steel Sky-Dweller should have way over 20k MSRP.

And supply should be a lot more limited than it is now.

Chumpey · 22 March 2018, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by karmatp

Which will happen.

Because....why? You say it emphatically?

Vaxe · 22 March 2018, 08:20 AM

ADs no longer take names over the phone, so this should see a drop of resellers cashing in. More supply for everyone.

Aventura · 22 March 2018, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexier

that bubble has well and truly burst about time too

agree!!!!!

22 March 2018, 04:02 AM	#1
Rolexier Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: London Posts: 106	No more asking inflated prices now That bubble has well and truly burst about time too

22 March 2018, 04:04 AM	#3
smabe123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: nc Watch: Gotta Catch'em all Posts: 74	The only thing that will fix that for good (for models that aren't discontinued) is an increase in supply. __________________ \| 116610LV \| OMEGA Apnea 2595.30 \|

22 March 2018, 04:13 AM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,401	Let’s see what happens and if supply returns to normal. To say it has burst is a bit premature unless you can show us where you have seen this big price drop. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

22 March 2018, 04:35 AM	#15
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,707	I see this very differently. Current trend is certainly suggesting otherwise. I have a theory... Rolex are limiting supply to ensure grey prices are significantly inflated - this sets a standard that will enable Rolex to put prices up without anyone making a big fuss. It's exactly what Patek have done with the Nautilus. Having done some comparisons with their competitors (on the steel sports models), I believe Rolex are currently exceptionally competitively priced, and this is despite fairly recent increases. And Tudor by the way, even more so! I can see a big increase happening at some point, although not foolish enough to predict when. For instance, if the Daytona suddenly went up 20% and supply increased overnight, people would buy it without complaint given that they've seen them going for a lot more than that on the grey market, it would still seem cheap! If this happened, grey prices would come down as supply would have increased, so in a sense the OP could be right! And look at the price of the Deep Sea compared to the AP Offshore Diver. There is a £7k gap between them which is crazy. I'm lucky enough to have recently purchased the Diver and I love it, but it's not THAT much better than a Deep Sea surely?! Of course, I could be wrong... __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

22 March 2018, 08:07 AM	#27
mahefa "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Switzerland Watch: Rolexes Posts: 1,087	Rolex is too low priced at the moment, for example steel Sky-Dweller should have way over 20k MSRP. And supply should be a lot more limited than it is now. __________________ ♛Deepsea Blue -17 ♛ Deepsea Blue -19 ♛Deepsea Black ♛Explorer I ♛Explorer II ♛ Explorer 1 ♛GMT-Master II BLNR ♛ Sky-Dweller Blue ♛ Sky-Dweller Black ♛ AirKing ♛ Day-Date 40 Platinum ♛ Daytona C White ♛ Submariner LVc ♛ Two-Tone Submariner ♛ Day-Date 36 ♛ Datejust 41 grey ♛

22 March 2018, 04:03 AM	#2
azs.77 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: USA/Canada Watch: Rolex, AP, Panerai Posts: 812	Ha ha ha ha.. I hope so.

22 March 2018, 04:13 AM	#6
travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 32,219	As long as there is short supply, prices will remain high and possibly continue rising. Look at the 116500 Daytona. People thought the premiums were going to settle and now 2 years in they're only going up.

22 March 2018, 04:15 AM	#8
TimeToWatch Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: TRF Watch: Rolex & AP Posts: 1,757	Supply is short and prices are increasing, if anything.

22 March 2018, 04:16 AM	#9
ArtNouveau 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NWA, USA Watch: BLRO/Daytona/OP41s Posts: 4,964	Not sure why the OP has this idea/impression? I've seen nothing to suggest the drought is over.

22 March 2018, 04:29 AM	#13
dallastide "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Dallas Posts: 16	OP please elaborate....

22 March 2018, 04:37 AM	#17
denmanproject "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Wayne Location: Canada Posts: 4,356	Ya, no

22 March 2018, 05:26 AM	#21
Rolexier Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: London Posts: 106	I would say prices on dwellers blnr hulks etc were a bit over priced inflated in run up to Baselworld many people thinking discontinuation pre Baselworld - now that is not the case and there are more offerings running alongside I can’t see anyone paying pre Baselworld prices for these types ( bar the Daytona ) when there are more options. The market will dictate in coming months the direction however so let’s see what happens but not on non discontinued watches will there be the huge premiums asked I very much doubt

22 March 2018, 06:59 AM	#23
masyv6 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: 35000ft Posts: 3,747	I'll believe you when I see grey dealers stop selling SS Submariners at/near retail Or when Rolex ADs have more than Datejusts in their cases

22 March 2018, 07:44 AM	#25
Watch This Banned Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: In your head Watch: SS YMII Posts: 1,619	Artificial scarcity has to cease. Unlikely.

22 March 2018, 07:59 AM	#26
Polarbears Banned Join Date: Aug 2017 Real Name: MJ Location: NYPA Watch: 16570 Posts: 957	Basic Economics. These new Tudor and Rolexes will be hard to get. Higher price. Old models no longer produced less available. Higher price.

22 March 2018, 08:20 AM	#29
Vaxe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,122	ADs no longer take names over the phone, so this should see a drop of resellers cashing in. More supply for everyone.

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