New Panerai Chrono Luna Rossa

[GW44]

https://www.panerai.com/gb/en/chronograph.html

Really like the look of this new chrono. Power reserve at 42 hours is a bit stingy but aside I think it's lovely.

What say you?

[unofficial]

Originally Posted by GW44

https://www.panerai.com/gb/en/chronograph.html

Really like the look of this new chrono. Power reserve at 42 hours is a bit stingy but aside I think it's lovely.

What say you?

Price is a bit too steep for a watch with ETA movement.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by unofficial

Price is a bit too steep for a watch with ETA movement.

Isn’t P.9200 in-house? If it were an ETA supplied movement, it would be OPxxxxx.

Edit: it isn’t ETA. It’s a new Panerai movement.

“ The new in-house Caliber P.9200 automatic movement will likely be seen more and more in coming years, as I doubt Panerai would develop a new movement without significant plans for it. It measures 13 1/4 lignes wide, which is a diameter of just about 29.9mm, and 6.9mm-thick. The P.9200 has 41 jewels and features a Glacydur balance wheel and an Incabloc shockproof. device. With an operating frequency of 28,800 vph and with a single barrel, it has a power reserve of a decent-enough 42 hours”

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai...ph-collection/

[unofficial]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Isn’t P.9200 in-house? If it were an ETA supplied movement, it would be OPxxxxx.

Edit: it isn’t ETA. It’s a new Panerai movement.

“ The new in-house Caliber P.9200 automatic movement will likely be seen more and more in coming years, as I doubt Panerai would develop a new movement without significant plans for it. It measures 13 1/4 lignes wide, which is a diameter of just about 29.9mm, and 6.9mm-thick. The P.9200 has 41 jewels and features a Glacydur balance wheel and an Incabloc shockproof. device. With an operating frequency of 28,800 vph and with a single barrel, it has a power reserve of a decent-enough 42 hours”

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai...ph-collection/

Cal. P.9200 is simply a undecorated ETA 2892 with an added Dubois-Depraz chrono module, as revealed by Jose Pereztroika and now confirmed by Hodinkee (at the very bottom of an article) https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pa...ng-introducing

Note that Panerai doesn’t mention P.9200 is an in-house caliber.

Attached is the close up from the P.9200 visible thru partially decorated caseback of Pam 1111 https://www.panerai.com/en/collectio...blu-notte.html

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by unofficial

Cal. P.9200 is simply a undecorated ETA 2892 with an added Dubois-Depraz chrono module, as revealed by Jose Pereztroika and now confirmed by Hodinkee (at the very bottom of an article) https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pa...ng-introducing

Note that Panerai doesn’t mention P.9200 is an in-house caliber.

Attached is the close up from the P.9200 visible thru partially decorated caseback of Pam 1111 https://www.panerai.com/en/collectio...blu-notte.html

Oy, good ol’ Panerai…. Always good for a laugh. Thanks for the info.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Oy, good ol’ Panerai…. Always good for a laugh. Thanks for the info.

Yup, like Panerai's new '9010 Evolution' movement that takes an evolution backward in features (and decoration).

[GW44]

Originally Posted by unofficial

Cal. P.9200 is simply a undecorated ETA 2892 with an added Dubois-Depraz chrono module, as revealed by Jose Pereztroika and now confirmed by Hodinkee (at the very bottom of an article) https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pa...ng-introducing

Note that Panerai doesn’t mention P.9200 is an in-house caliber.

Attached is the close up from the P.9200 visible thru partially decorated caseback of Pam 1111 https://www.panerai.com/en/collectio...blu-notte.html

Personally don’t consider this a hanging offence for the brand but appreciate the info all the same.

[emtee]

Well they did refer to it as in house until they got called out for it. The sad thing is I’m hardly surprised anymore.

[rambo99]

is the new not inhouse p9200 actually inferior to panerai's inhouse movement in any ways?

[Starwalker]

for watches that can you buy SUB-10K with discounts and etc, does it really mater whether or not it is ETA - as long as the build quality overall is great and the movement is reliable and you like the aesthetic. Really, if movement is everything, might as well save save save save and drop it on piece that is true haute-horology. I really like panerai, but am absolutely not fooled by what they represent. They do have a high range, sure, but it isn't their core business like ALS. These are relatively high send status symbols, nothing is made by swiss elves. Even patek have cut down their level of finishing on the sub-complicated pieces. As a workhorse movement, who is to say that this inferior to the in-house movement Breitling/Tudor/Chanel are sharing. If you like it go for it. Personally, i think they look great. And if you're looking for an in-house piece that is worthy of looking at then you'll either have to look at independent, buy used, or save 2/3/4x.

[zion_rasta]

Jose Pereztrika or what ever his name is the real liar.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Starwalker

for watches that can you buy SUB-10K with discounts and etc, does it really mater whether or not it is ETA - as long as the build quality overall is great and the movement is reliable and you like the aesthetic.

Exactly and agree, you're buying a fashion with Panerai. They also generally make effort to make strap changes easy. It's style.

Really, if movement is everything, might as well save save save save and drop it on piece that is true haute-horology. I really like panerai, but am absolutely not fooled by what they represent.

It took me time to fully realize what Panerai is today. Basically ignore their movements other than power reserve as it fits your lifestyle / desire.

They do have a high range, sure, but it isn't their core business like ALS.

Great point, but it seems price creep is making $12k more the norm, PAM is less a typical $5k timepiece like Tudor. To be fair, Tudor is making some incredible pieces with impressive movements. Just picked up the Black Bay ceramic, fantastic piece and METAS certified too! Nice hairspring in the Tudor.

And maybe that's the problem, PAM is being a bit optimistic price-wise, which throws their products into higher competition that offers.......

Even Patek have cut down their level of finishing on the sub-complicated pieces.

Excellent point and part of why I went from having many PPs to now just 1 loved vintage piece (that uses a nodded Piaget 9P movement). So yes, we all know the House Of PP has used other manufacturer movements just like PAM. Buuuut Patek back in those days generously handcrafted / decorated the movement to high standards, unlike they would do nowadays even within their in-house movements imho.

Personally, i think they look great. And if you're looking for an in-house piece that is worthy of looking at then you'll either have to look at independent, buy used, or save 2/3/4x.

Or consider Bvlgari Octo FS. For ~12k you get a world record movement that is beautiful and innovative, high style, and 100m WP durability. OMEGA is another excellent choice. If you love square case and big numbers, Bell&Ross has many interesting products at competitive pricing. Tag's Monaco is a great square-cased piece, good pricing too aaand ove my Gulf version!

Panerai today is Panerai business circa 2021... Perhaps that says it all.

I will say, they MUST provide top-level customer service, which so far has been my experience. At these price levels anything less could be devastating. So perhaps that's the move for Panerai to reliable movements that are easy to service. Bell&Ross, for example, just swap movements.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by zion_rasta

Jose Pereztrika or what ever his name is the real liar.

Could you clarify?

[6XYBE63ST]

aesthetically, they look great. yes the ETA movement is just that but i would so much rather have a panerai than something like a tudor. imo i have no idea how someone would pay for a tudor, much rather have a casio or a timex than a tudor, so underwhelming it's ridiculous......

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 6XYBE63ST

imo i have no idea how someone would pay for a tudor, much rather have a casio or a timex than a tudor, so underwhelming it's ridiculous......

Fair enough as a preference. I realize for some modern Panerai buyers seem to be more a fashion brand customer nowadays, so the movement makes no real difference as long as it works. Bell&Ross follows the same scheme with some of their products, yet at more attractive pricing than Panerai. What are your thoughts about Bell&Ross?

Compare Tudor silicon hairspring versus Panerai. Also let me know your thoughts on METAS certification. My goal is to see if you care at all about advancements in movement tech or not. Especially as Panerai is now pricing their products into the higher competition terratory.

[6XYBE63ST]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Fair enough as a preference. I realize for some modern Panerai buyers seem to be more a fashion brand customer nowadays, so the movement makes no real difference as long as it works. Bell&Ross follows the same scheme with some of their products, yet at more attractive pricing than Panerai. What are your thoughts about Bell&Ross?

Compare Tudor silicon hairspring versus Panerai. Also let me know your thoughts on METAS certification. My goal is to see if you care at all about advancements in movement tech or not. Especially as Panerai is now pricing their products into the higher competition terratory.

for me it's about the exterior of a watch since it spends most of it's time on my wrist. my panerai's have kept good time as well as my rolexs's over the years, my casio's probably better than both. as of right now i could not afford a watch based on movement, it's out of my league.

https://robbreport.com/style/watch-c...-world-232740/

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 6XYBE63ST

...as of right now i could not afford a watch based on movement...

I appreciate your aspect, it's more fashion for you provided it works reliably.

There are some fine movements and cases out there such as the $5k Tudor Black Bay Ceramic, or for $12k the SS Bvlgari Octo FS with world record thin movement.

For those into style, Bell&Ross have such a wide variety of products that compete with Panerari yet at far lower pricing. If you love bronze casing, for example, they have some great divers for $4600 with blue dial, green dial, etc https://www.bellross.com/our-collect...ER-BRONZE-BLUE

For me, it's the question of true product value versus aspirational pricing, since the movement is being devalued without full disclosure yet retail pricing seems to be escalating. I look forward to your thoughts comparing Bell&Ross to Panerai.

[6XYBE63ST]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

I appreciate your aspect, it's more fashion for you provided it works reliably.

There are some fine movements and cases out there such as the $5k Tudor Black Bay Ceramic, or for $12k the SS Bvlgari Octo FS with world record thin movement.

For those into style, Bell&Ross have such a wide variety of products that compete with Panerari yet at far lower pricing. If you love bronze casing, for example, they have some great divers for $4600 with blue dial, green dial, etc https://www.bellross.com/our-collect...ER-BRONZE-BLUE

For me, it's the question of true product value versus aspirational pricing, since the movement is being devalued without full disclosure yet retail pricing seems to be escalating. I look forward to your thoughts comparing Bell&Ross to Panerai.