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Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 03:08 AM

Picked this up because I couldn't recall having ever seen one and I liked how "vintage" it looks. It may be because it was water logged, but I seem to like it. The case I obviously added on myself. It's a generic case.

The movement and dial I bought. It's a 15J Ruby Tudor. I've never seen one before only a 17J. The dial and hands sort of align with other I've seen but not entirely. Was hoping someone here could help me with figuring out what this dial and movement are from. Thank you!

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 04:54 AM

I've seen a 15 rubies Rolex (usually where Rolex circles the gear) but never a Tudor.

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 04:55 AM

Forgot to mention there is a blue hue to the metal in the hands also. Quite pronounced in the right angle and lighting.

offrdmania · 25 July 2017, 08:56 AM

That movement does not look correct to me. It looks like the movement you see in the fake Tudor watches coming out of India sold all over eBay.

datejust24 · 25 July 2017, 09:53 AM

Indeed looks to be fake

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by datejust24

Indeed looks to be fake

Oh I'm going to be very angry.

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 11:53 AM

This was how it was advertised and sold to me:

file upload images

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 11:56 AM

This still looks wrong? I have spent a decent amount restoring this movement and it would suck if fake. Also another very good reason for why I joined here. I should stick to Rolex. It was my first ever Tudor purchase and vintage Tudor at that. I know my Nardins and Blancpains but not these. Now I know why I never saw one like it before I guess.

offrdmania · 25 July 2017, 03:02 PM

Ive never seen a 15 jewel Tudor manual wind movement. They are always 17 jewel

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

Ive never seen a 15 jewel Tudor manual wind movement. They are always 17 jewel

That's what drew me to this. May have been a rookie mistake it appears. Crap

offrdmania · 25 July 2017, 03:09 PM

It looks like a basic AS1187 movement that someone inscribed Tudor on. Its what ive seen come out of India. The movement is a workhorse but I dont think it started life from Tudor. That movement was used in many, many brand watches. You can pick up up the movements for about $10

William.L. · 25 July 2017, 03:46 PM

I don't believe it to be real at all, and it looks like a Tudor inscription was added afterwards and poorly at that. The R is most telling. Ask yourself what would make that wear funny, or cause the stamping to be less than perfect. Even Rolex made watches from the 20s that I have, have perfect stamping marks on the inside of the case. Considering what you paid I think it was a cheap lesson but I'd wear it as I think it's cool as well, but I'm really big and old vintage stuff

Watches&Horology · 25 July 2017, 09:43 PM

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the help and the lesson.

Watches&Horology · 26 July 2017, 12:18 AM

Dial fake too then I assume?

Watches&Horology · 30 July 2017, 11:09 PM

Well I filed a dispute with eBay and pulled my sale. Means now I'm out all the repair work and fitting to a new case charges. Lesson learned. Glad I found this place.

Bob the brush · 30 July 2017, 11:52 PM

Could have been a lot worse, I know that is no consolation, but just read some horror stories on here where people have been duped out of thousands by scumbag scammers.

25 July 2017, 03:08 AM	#1
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	Need Help Identifying Picked this up because I couldn't recall having ever seen one and I liked how "vintage" it looks. It may be because it was water logged, but I seem to like it. The case I obviously added on myself. It's a generic case. The movement and dial I bought. It's a 15J Ruby Tudor. I've never seen one before only a 17J. The dial and hands sort of align with other I've seen but not entirely. Was hoping someone here could help me with figuring out what this dial and movement are from. Thank you!

25 July 2017, 08:56 AM	#4
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,860	That movement does not look correct to me. It looks like the movement you see in the fake Tudor watches coming out of India sold all over eBay. __________________ TRF Member 11738

25 July 2017, 03:02 PM	#9
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,860	Ive never seen a 15 jewel Tudor manual wind movement. They are always 17 jewel __________________ TRF Member 11738

25 July 2017, 03:09 PM	#11
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,860	It looks like a basic AS1187 movement that someone inscribed Tudor on. Its what ive seen come out of India. The movement is a workhorse but I dont think it started life from Tudor. That movement was used in many, many brand watches. You can pick up up the movements for about $10 __________________ TRF Member 11738

25 July 2017, 03:46 PM	#12
William.L. "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: William Location: Belleville Mi Watch: 1675 & 16013 Posts: 618	I don't believe it to be real at all, and it looks like a Tudor inscription was added afterwards and poorly at that. The R is most telling. Ask yourself what would make that wear funny, or cause the stamping to be less than perfect. Even Rolex made watches from the 20s that I have, have perfect stamping marks on the inside of the case. Considering what you paid I think it was a cheap lesson but I'd wear it as I think it's cool as well, but I'm really big and old vintage stuff __________________ Omega Bumper Automatic Rolex Datejust 16013 TT Rolex GMT 1675/3 Tudor GMT Serti GMT

25 July 2017, 04:54 AM	#2
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	I've seen a 15 rubies Rolex (usually where Rolex circles the gear) but never a Tudor.

25 July 2017, 04:55 AM	#3
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	Forgot to mention there is a blue hue to the metal in the hands also. Quite pronounced in the right angle and lighting.

25 July 2017, 09:53 AM	#5
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	Indeed looks to be fake

25 July 2017, 11:53 AM	#7
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	This was how it was advertised and sold to me: file upload images

25 July 2017, 11:56 AM	#8
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	This still looks wrong? I have spent a decent amount restoring this movement and it would suck if fake. Also another very good reason for why I joined here. I should stick to Rolex. It was my first ever Tudor purchase and vintage Tudor at that. I know my Nardins and Blancpains but not these. Now I know why I never saw one like it before I guess.

25 July 2017, 09:43 PM	#13
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the help and the lesson.

26 July 2017, 12:18 AM	#14
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	Dial fake too then I assume?

30 July 2017, 11:09 PM	#15
Watches&Horology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Posts: 25	Well I filed a dispute with eBay and pulled my sale. Means now I'm out all the repair work and fitting to a new case charges. Lesson learned. Glad I found this place.

30 July 2017, 11:52 PM	#16
Bob the brush "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Mercia Watch: 1016 Explorer. Posts: 928	Could have been a lot worse, I know that is no consolation, but just read some horror stories on here where people have been duped out of thousands by scumbag scammers.

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