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Old 17 August 2019, 05:07 AM   #121
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Excellent info! Thank you so much!


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Old 21 December 2019, 10:59 PM   #122
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Looking to buy my first AP in 2020, this information is very helpful. Thank you for sharing
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Old 24 December 2019, 06:34 PM   #123
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Thank you for the informative information. Just purchased my first Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Diver 15703ST and its coming tomorrow. I am so excited to add this to my collection of time pieces.
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Old 27 December 2019, 01:28 PM   #124
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Old 8 January 2020, 03:37 PM   #125
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Great info in this thread. I’ve been looking at pre-owned white dial Royal Oak 15400s, and was wondering what it means when the crown screws are not aligned properly:

Is that an indication that it was serviced by a non-APSC? The seller seems legit, so I’m not sure it’s fair to question the authenticity of the RO.
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Old 30 January 2020, 08:44 AM   #126
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I would doubt AP would service a RO and miss aligning the bezel bolts...probably means some third party did a basic tuneup to flip.
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Old 30 January 2020, 10:10 AM   #127
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I bought my preowned RO from an AP AD. Never a problem, it’s a ‘D’.


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Old 19 February 2020, 12:59 AM   #128
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Won't be able to afford this realistically...
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Old 5 May 2020, 01:10 AM   #129
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OP, thank you for this thread
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Old 22 June 2020, 05:40 PM   #130
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Super helpful, thank you for that.
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Old 25 June 2020, 09:46 PM   #131
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So my takeaway from this thread is that APs are finicky and expensive to maintain. But beautiful. I find it hard to believe that modern sports watches like AP or PP are that delicate.
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Old 12 July 2020, 02:42 AM   #132
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Great info in this thread. I’ve been looking at pre-owned white dial Royal Oak 15400s, and was wondering what it means when the crown screws are not aligned properly:

Is that an indication that it was serviced by a non-APSC? The seller seems legit, so I’m not sure it’s fair to question the authenticity of the RO.

Yes, very little chance (read: zero) APSC would return a watch post-service like that; I’ve never actually seen an AP with bezel screws this wonky. It _could_ also be a sign of inauthenticity, but not by definition.

I have a healthy risk appetite, but would avoid this watch purely based on this, whether provable to be authentic or not. But obviously you should punch it into your own calculations and proceed accordingly! Good luck!


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Old 19 July 2020, 11:38 PM   #133
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Wow. Thank You so much for taking the time to post this! Very helpful!
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Old 28 July 2020, 05:34 AM   #134
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Old 31 July 2020, 10:06 AM   #135
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Great info! Very helpful. A lot to consider.
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Old 11 December 2020, 02:35 PM   #136
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Excellent advice. Just want to mention that the OP was written in 2012. Therefore when it says to purchase a watch not too old (F series and up) in 2012, what is considered too old now ?

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Old 7 January 2021, 07:12 AM   #137
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I hope this can become a sticky on the AP Forum as I believe a lot of people considering buying a pre-owned AP would benefit from the advice I am giving out.

Always keep in mind the following when making a purchase of a pre-owned AP. Especially when buying a Royal Oak or a Royal Oak Offshore.

1. If you own a vintage AP and don't know the service history on the watch do not send it in for service at AP unless it stops running. Don't let an independent watchmaker work on a vintage AP no matter what. The money you save today, you'll have to pay it tomorrow.

2. If you buy a pre-owned modern AP RO or ROO try to get one that is not very old (F series and up) ideally with some service history and in overall great shape. Don't by a beater even if it's a good deal! You'll pay the difference afterwards.

3. If you buy a 5402 be very careful with the crown and avoid using the quick-set calendar advance feature that comes with cal. 2121. (While the watch doesn't have a date setting crown position, you can quickly advance the date by going with the hands past midnight to around 1am or 2am and then back to 10pm to adjust the date without having to go around 24hrs for each day). This is not an isolated case as on the four 5402s that I've owned I always had problems with the crown stem breaking and the crown coming off will pulling it out to set the time. On one of them this happened twice in a two-year period. When pulling the crown out to set the time, pull very slowly! Another thing to consider will be to wind the watch via the crown by turning it no more than 5-7 turns.

4. On 5402s even after being serviced, AP doesn't guarantee any water-resistance. Don't even get it wet while washing your hands.

5. If you buy a ROO (Pre F-series) make sure it comes with service papers or service history. Otherwise stay away, unless you know the owner or the watch is really flawless.

6. Do not have the watch or bezel polished by independents. You might lose the AP bevels and bezel will become rounded over time and thin out. AP uses a special machine to keep the octagonal shape intact and polished/brushed areas perfectly balanced.

7. If you buy an AP still under warranty make sure to get the warranty registered and get your third year sticker. If the warranty is close to expire send the watch in and work will be done under warranty giving you another 2 years.

8. If you open a case back on a ROO do not attempt to open the anti-magnetic casing that holds the movement inside as those screws are very delicate. If you open the case back you are voiding any warranty on the watch as AP will know it was opened. Get it pressured test it if you do.

9. If you want to go AP make sure you have done your research, tried the watch on and have money ready for the service when the time comes. As Ken accurately mentioned, the service on modern APs will be expensive but not as expensive as it is on a Vintage piece like mine unless something is seriously wrong or other watchmakers before your ownership messed up the movement.

10. Stay away from a RO Quartz as changing the battery is something that needs to be done every 2-3 years. To change the battery you need to disassemble the whole watch. Remove the bezel, dial, hands, crown, etc. to access the movement and then replace the battery. If done by an independent there are a ton of things that can go wrong. Then again you will need to have AP do it and it gets really pricey even when it's just a battery change as they will still force you to do a periodic service.

I hope other owners and future owners learn from my experience and use this advice moving forward. I would hate to see anyone else go through the ordeals I've been dealing with this week.
Very helpful. Thanks for posting!
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Old 20 May 2021, 04:07 AM   #138
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great points...I have 2 ROO and never going to polish outside of AD for AP. Thanks
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Old 13 June 2021, 05:48 PM   #139
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Is my AP Royal Oak Authentic?

Hi guys, my friend has just offered to sell me his Royal Oak ultra thin blue dial at a real fair price. The only issue is there is no box and papers. When I asked where he got the watch he said he’d got it in a trade. Whilst I believe he thinks the watch is real I remain unsure. Please could someone help advise. To me the watch looks fine but I’m obviously a little nervous about buying from a non authorised dealer.
On the back there is only a serial number and no model number, is this correct.
Thanks for the help in advance, I really appreciate any advice here.
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Old 13 June 2021, 09:01 PM   #140
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I’ve recently broken two of the rules!
1. I bought an E serial ROO.
2. I had it polished by an independent.
I don’t know what was wrong with buying an E serial but it was exceptional value and I like it.
Had it serviced and polished by an experienced AP independent in Hatton Garden, London.
In the last week it’s now running +1 second and the polish looks crisp and perfectly done to me.
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Old 7 July 2021, 06:48 AM   #141
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Great thread!


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Old 13 August 2021, 05:29 PM   #142
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This still applies in 2021. Thanks for the post
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Old 3 May 2022, 01:18 PM   #143
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I’ve recently broken two of the rules!
1. I bought an E serial ROO.
2. I had it polished by an independent.
I don’t know what was wrong with buying an E serial but it was exceptional value and I like it.
Had it serviced and polished by an experienced AP independent in Hatton Garden, London.
In the last week it’s now running +1 second and the polish looks crisp and perfectly done to me.
lets have a look then.......
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Old 31 May 2022, 07:36 AM   #144
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This is the only established brand-name watch, I have never owned. I believe it has a fabulous movement, second only to Patek Philippe.

With such an invaluable advice from you, I may have to rethink about owning a vintage example. The old Royal Oak is on the hit-list but as of now, it will not be a desirable piece, for me.

Though, I will not get anything with a quartz movement, it is good to learn the AP battery-change is akin to overhauling a watch.
Great advise. Thanks
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Old 22 October 2022, 03:36 AM   #145
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This a great post, so helpful.
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Old 25 November 2022, 06:19 AM   #146
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I am looking to purchase a new/never worn AP 50th anniversary model form a third party. I was hoping it would have the factory stickers/tape still on. However, I was told by the seller that AP boutiques "make the buyer walk out with the watch on" without stickers. Anyone know if this is accurate or if I am getting jerked around?
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Old 21 February 2023, 01:12 AM   #147
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Great AP knowledge in this thread. Wow.


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Old 18 March 2023, 01:28 PM   #148
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Lovely post, thanks so much!
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Old 5 April 2023, 07:16 AM   #149
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This is in reference to purchasing a modern preowned RO that still has warranty. Does activating the extended warranty by registering under a new owner blacklist both the new owner and previous owner?


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Old 26 September 2023, 06:43 AM   #150
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Any advice on movement replacement? I have a caliber 2124/2825 sent in for service and they said movement cannot be service, and watch requires a 2325 movement. Thanks.
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