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Old 18 November 2014, 05:10 PM   #1
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Icon5 What is this sunburst dial on the Submariner?

Hey all...

I'm a new member and I'm happy to be part of this great community.

I am looking into a used 2 tone submariner / blue dial.

Some listings mention that their watch has the newer sunburst dial.

What is the difference compared the older ones? Are we talking about color itself? reflection?

I wasn't able to find a comparison between the sunburst and older look.

Thank you.
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Old 18 November 2014, 05:28 PM   #2
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There are a few models of this watch:

Older 16613 which had a blue sunburst dial but old case, clasp, bracelet etc. This model has been discontinued for several years.

Then Rolex released the 116613 with a "powder" blue dial which is NOT sunburst but has the upgraded case, clasp, maxi dial etc

Rolex recently discontinued the "powder" blue and re introduced the sunburst to the current 116613

The difference between the powder blue 116613 and the sunburst blue 116613 is simply the dial, MAYBE bezel color, I am not certain. Other than that there are no differences to the watch.

The powder blue is flat...sunburst really pops and is a deeper either color.
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Old 18 November 2014, 05:53 PM   #3
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This is the powder blue. Im not sure all the powder blue dials have been discontinued, I know the diamond one has for sure. The sunburst is still not available with diamonds, not sure this will happen, will have to wait and see. Then I have a tough decision weather to stay with the flat powder dial, or go sunburst if it comes out with the diamonds of cause.

Also see this thread. Hope it helps.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=379347
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Old 18 November 2014, 06:13 PM   #4
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All the so called names for the blue dial 16613 or 116613 are just tiny changes to the blue pigment paint on the dial nothing more.
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Old 18 November 2014, 07:21 PM   #5
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I see! Good to know!

I did pay attention to the upgraded clasp which has gold unlike the older one which comes in silver.

Whats difficult about this is that they all look the same! I am shocked sometimes when i'm looking at a listing and then discover the watch is about 8 years old! I'm looking for a recent model and its not easy to identify. I have a list of codes which identify the year of make but I only have them until 2008.
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Old 18 November 2014, 09:42 PM   #6
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I see! Good to know!

I did pay attention to the upgraded clasp which has gold unlike the older one which comes in silver.

Whats difficult about this is that they all look the same! I am shocked sometimes when i'm looking at a listing and then discover the watch is about 8 years old! I'm looking for a recent model and its not easy to identify. I have a list of codes which identify the year of make but I only have them until 2008.
No Internet chart can give a exact date when any watch was made only a estimate when the case was stamped and not when a completed watch was made.Now with watches like the TT or all gold models which are quite slow sellers so no Internet chart can give a true accurate date when they were made.
Below is a guide chart from this forum..

R 1987
L 1988
E 1990
X 1991
N 1991 (Nov)
C 1992
S 1993
W 1994
T 1996
U 1997 (Aug)
A 1998 (Nov)
P 2000 (Jan)
K 2001 (Sep)
Y 2002 (Sep)
F 2003 (Sep)
D 2005 (Apr)
Z 2006 (May)
M 2007 (Aug)
V 2008 (Aug)
G 2010 (July)
G 2011 plus the latter part of 2010 Randoms started to appear mixture of letters numbers but 8 digits total.
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Old 18 November 2014, 10:12 PM   #7
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Here's a sunburst.
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I see! Good to know!

I did pay attention to the upgraded clasp which has gold unlike the older one which comes in silver.

Whats difficult about this is that they all look the same! I am shocked sometimes when i'm looking at a listing and then discover the watch is about 8 years old! I'm looking for a recent model and its not easy to identify. I have a list of codes which identify the year of make but I only have them until 2008.
The newest style was released in 2010. These newer models reference 116613 are easily identifiable from the older ones by the wider lugs and crown guards, larger hour markers/hands, glidelock clasp, and ceramic bezel. Below is a picture borrowed from another site. The model on the left is the newer version. Notice the difference in width of the lugs and crown guards, the difference in the size of the markers and hands, and the text on the ceramic bezel being etched rather than printed like the steel one to the right. As far as the sunburst dial, the second picture shows an example of both, the sunburst being on the right. Hope this helps.



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Old 18 November 2014, 10:30 PM   #9
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I have a green sunburst. To me, it looks dark, almost black, in poorly lit areas. In bright light it has this corruscating brilliance that is hard to explain. In normal light, like in a room, it looks just a tad darker than the bezel. This is my perception, YMMV.
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I'm actually looking around for a blue sub, probably will end up with a 16613 due to my budget but I have had the flat blue 116613 on and the 116613 sunburst and they both are great. I wish the budget was more but I will be happy with a 16613.

Here is the flat 116613. The photo may look like sunburst but it def was flat blue.
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Here is the flat 116613. The photo may look like sunburst but it def was flat blue.
I'm looking at 16613 and 116613. Which dial did you prefer on the recent model, flat or sunburst ? I've seen a sunburst, and while it's nice, it doesn't blow me away.
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Beautiful pic Adam, the diamond hour markers really make the dial stand out!
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