Future of the 15202ST

[Offline99]

What is the future of the AP Jumbo as a non-limited heritage model? Can we expect it to produced forever? I can't think of another example of a continuously produced watch for more than 10 years.

[Maverick82]

It was produced as a 40th anniversary royal oak, with that in mind 2022 will be the 50th anniversary which I would think is an even larger milestone....but other than logical assumptions, no one knows for sure.

[HMHM]

Might get a lot of flak for saying this... but I think the 15202 needs a lot of changes to stay relevant. I understand the rich history associated with the watch and how it is the original steel sport watch... but the bracelet feels underwhelming compared to the 15500, there’s no hacking seconds hand, no quick set date and it’s still using a non in-house movement (its currently running a modified JLC movement if I remember correctly). Unless one buys the watch to keep in the safe, 15500 seems like the better choice for usability, accuracy and power reserve. For me the 15202ST has also lost its position as the crown jewel in the RO collection to the 15407ST.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Might get a lot of flak for saying this... but I think the 15202 needs a lot of changes to stay relevant. I understand the rich history associated with the watch and how it is the original steel sport watch... but the bracelet feels underwhelming compared to the 15500, there’s no hacking seconds hand, no quick set date and it’s still using a non in-house movement (its currently running a modified JLC movement if I remember correctly). Unless one buys the watch to keep in the safe, 15500 seems like the better choice for usability, accuracy and power reserve. For me the 15202ST has also lost its position as the crown jewel in the RO collection to the 15407ST.

i think the proportions on the 15202 are perfect compared to the new ROs but i agree that not having a seconds hand or quickset is a pain

[supernova]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Might get a lot of flak for saying this... but I think the 15202 needs a lot of changes to stay relevant. I understand the rich history associated with the watch and how it is the original steel sport watch... but the bracelet feels underwhelming compared to the 15500, there’s no hacking seconds hand, no quick set date and it’s still using a non in-house movement (its currently running a modified JLC movement if I remember correctly). Unless one buys the watch to keep in the safe, 15500 seems like the better choice for usability, accuracy and power reserve. For me the 15202ST has also lost its position as the crown jewel in the RO collection to the 15407ST.

Well isn't that what the 15500 is for? For those that want an updated 15202. The 15202 is there for those purist that want a feel of vintage but still have a brand new watch.

I think the market is strong for both models so I can see the 15202 staying the way it has with same movement, whereas the 15500 will get continue to be updated in the future.

[GB-man]

I would hazard there will always be a steel RO ultra thin with the legendary movement inside.

I owned one once and that was enough for me. Photographs lovely but day to day it’s a royal pain unless you have tiny hands.

[KBM]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I would hazard there will always be a steel RO ultra thin with the legendary movement inside.

I owned one once and that was enough for me. Photographs lovely but day to day it’s a royal pain unless you have tiny hands.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Might get a lot of flak for saying this... but I think the 15202 needs a lot of changes to stay relevant. I understand the rich history associated with the watch and how it is the original steel sport watch... but the bracelet feels underwhelming compared to the 15500, there’s no hacking seconds hand, no quick set date and it’s still using a non in-house movement (its currently running a modified JLC movement if I remember correctly). Unless one buys the watch to keep in the safe, 15500 seems like the better choice for usability, accuracy and power reserve. For me the 15202ST has also lost its position as the crown jewel in the RO collection to the 15407ST.

Oh I’m sorry, but I thought the open worked ceramic perpetual was the crown jewel.

[AK797]

I think it has been wildly more successful than the previous 15202 iteration as it harks back to the original and I think it will be around for a long time, the 153,4 and 500 series are there for the more modern touches should that be your preference.

[eskiserkan]

That watch is white ceramic Daytona of AP. Difference is it has the same caliber, dial & size from the beginning. Going nowhere & getting scarce day by day.

[November]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Might get a lot of flak for saying this... but I think the 15202 needs a lot of changes to stay relevant. I understand the rich history associated with the watch and how it is the original steel sport watch... but the bracelet feels underwhelming compared to the 15500, there’s no hacking seconds hand, no quick set date and it’s still using a non in-house movement (its currently running a modified JLC movement if I remember correctly). Unless one buys the watch to keep in the safe, 15500 seems like the better choice for usability, accuracy and power reserve. For me the 15202ST has also lost its position as the crown jewel in the RO collection to the 15407ST.

I find this comically ironic in an AP forum, considering the fact that the initial absurdity of the 5402 was derived from the relative value of similar/superior functional mechanical sport watches produced in steel. The ONLY reason the 15202 exists today is because of its old world charm and F*** you factor for those who know (along with the quirks that come with it); Otherwise, your statement is correct - the 15202 is backdated and should be obsolete. The fact that it’s not is what makes it SO special - it’s traditional watchmaking through and through. With the exception of the transparent case back, and the extra 1mm sacrifice that comes with it, the 15202 is the ultimate Trojan horse in high-end mechanical wristwatches. Period. The 5711 is a steel outfit for a movement acting as a base module for just about every other automatic watch in a mass produced brand catalogue - nothing special there. Modified Cal 921 (and now in house to AP) is reserved only for the most special watches in the AP catalogue - and to me, the only watches worth comparison in the world of mass produced watch brands (from a movement perspective... ceramics would squash this debate in a heartbeat). Outside of independents (and only a select few) I would challenge anyone on this forum to find me a more value oriented proposition in the world of mass produced watches today... 15500 and any skin derivative to the 5402 is for those you who would have scoffed at AP, and leaped for a Rolex when the original Jumbo was released.

Banksy’s Rembrandt “self portrait” may have sold for ~$20m usd; but the true “Self Portrait” last transacted at nearly 2.5x that value; the real baller owns the Rembrandt, not the other one. I am not a baller - but if I were, the 15202 is where my money goes. Not towards a 15407st... sand blasting is nowhere near as time consuming/impressive as the near fully hand assembled/ hand finished jlc adopted legendary 921. I may be incorrect in my thinking, and if so please excuse my ignorance.


Maybe a bit harsh but truth be told...

[Caramba]

Originally Posted by AK797

I think it has been wildly more successful than the previous 15202 iteration as it harks back to the original and I think it will be around for a long time, the 153,4 and 500 series are there for the more modern touches should that be your preference.

I absolutely agree. I also believe that the 15500 would have been made to 39mm if they were not planning to continue the 15202 for the foreseeable future.

There is a huge demand for the 15202, and they've managed to diversify the lineup with the 15500. As long as the demand is good for both models, AP is making money and they have no obvious reason to alter the strategy.

[eonflux]

As long as AP can sell every 15202ST they make, why would they change it?

[Offline99]

Originally Posted by eonflux

As long as AP can sell every 15202ST they make, why would they change it?

That’s true of a lot of watches, but they still change them. Or stop selling them.


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[ap1]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I would hazard there will always be a steel RO ultra thin with the legendary movement inside.

I owned one once and that was enough for me. Photographs lovely but day to day it’s a royal pain unless you have tiny hands.

I agree. The “semi” quick set date is a real pain if worn sparingly in rotation. Once was enough for me too. Much happier with my 38mm chrono

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by supernova

Well isn't that what the 15500 is for? For those that want an updated 15202. The 15202 is there for those purist that want a feel of vintage but still have a brand new watch.

I think the market is strong for both models so I can see the 15202 staying the way it has with same movement, whereas the 15500 will get continue to be updated in the future.

+1


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[benlee]

The only thing that I will want to change in the 15202ST is the inclusion of a quick set date. Otherwise, the watch is perfect as it is. I actually find it quite robust in daily use. The scratches will show up, but so will those on 15400/15500.

The 50th anniversary will be something to look forward to

[dbfagan]

Originally Posted by benlee

The only thing that I will want to change in the 15202ST is the inclusion of a quick set date. Otherwise, the watch is perfect as it is. I actually find it quite robust in daily use. The scratches will show up, but so will those on 15400/15500.

The 50th anniversary will be something to look forward to

I could not agree more. My favorite watch

[edo]

Quick date will be a nice feature, but nothing can beat 15202 proportions...

[john_peter33]

Would a quick date modify the 2121 cal movement? And increase thickness?

[7sins]

Originally Posted by benlee

The only thing that I will want to change in the 15202ST is the inclusion of a quick set date. Otherwise, the watch is perfect as it is. I actually find it quite robust in daily use. The scratches will show up, but so will those on 15400/15500.

The 50th anniversary will be something to look forward to

+1. I love my 15202, I never understood why people need the second hand, doesn't bother me at all.

These should be trading at 5711 levels, there is over a $30k delta between the two currently and IMO 15202 values have nowhere to go but up.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by 7sins

+1. I love my 15202, I never understood why people need the second hand, doesn't bother me at all.

These should be trading at 5711 levels, there is over a $30k delta between the two currently and IMO 15202 values have nowhere to go but up.

Agree 100%. I wanted to acquire before these got to 5711 levels.

[rossi46]

15202 > *