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Old 3 February 2020, 05:01 PM   #271
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Old 10 February 2020, 01:35 PM   #272
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Initial J - The bezel looks fine. I had a new bezel insert installed by Rolex on my 16710 and the arrow doesn't line up at 12 on mine as well. I have to place it in between clicks to line up. Whatever. There are worse things.
Actually, what I meant was that the arrow has a large gap at the top (lot of blue showing above the arrow). Then the point of the arrow goes off the inside edge of the bezel. I haven't been able to find other examples of this anywhere.
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Old 11 February 2020, 06:40 PM   #273
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What do the forum members think of the insert on this piece? The 2's look ok to me, but the arrow at 12 o'clock doesn't seem to properly align with the bezel.
I attach a pix of my 16700, with an arrow pointing to the top of the bezel insert, which is what I think you referring to, am I right?. if it is, it does appear, that the triangle on your bezel is printed a little lower, with the bottom point over the edge of the bezel. Not seen that before.
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Old 2 July 2020, 08:14 AM   #274
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No mate - 3. As is the case with any GMT with a rotating bezel

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Quite an old message but...

Just a question: how can a 16700 have 3 time zone indications? I do not understand.

The 24h hand of the 16700 is not independent, contrary to a GMT Master II.

So a 16700 can only show 2 different time zones at the same time, by rotating the bezel.

Did I miss something?
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Old 2 July 2020, 09:30 AM   #275
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16700-two time zones
16710-three time zones
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Old 2 July 2020, 09:30 AM   #276
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All GMT models only show 2 zones at the same time.

GMT II models have the jump hour hand, but still only show 2 zones, they just do it differently. You can also use the bezel, as you would the Master, but it is only a momentary look at a 3rd zone.
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Old 2 July 2020, 10:45 AM   #277
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So I was right ... (in fact I knew, but someone contradicted me in post #244 although I have owned a 16700 for about 20 years...)

Thank you.
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Old 6 August 2020, 05:48 AM   #278
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Beautiful reference, thank you for the write up.
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Old 15 August 2020, 11:58 PM   #279
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Initial J - The bezel looks fine. I had a new bezel insert installed by Rolex on my 16710 and the arrow doesn't line up at 12 on mine as well. I have to place it in between clicks to line up. Whatever. There are worse things.
Haha, I remember taking mine into St. James In London after mine was serviced and my centre triangle was between clicks!... the spent around 10 mins and and it’s better now, still not 100% compared to my ocd lol...
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Old 17 August 2020, 06:17 AM   #280
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Any Swiss Made Masters?

Are there any legitimate GMT-Master 16700’s that would have come with a ’Swiss Made’ super luminova dial? Or would such a dial necessarily be a later replacement dial?

Thank you for your knowledge!
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Old 17 August 2020, 06:19 AM   #281
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Are there any legitimate GMT-Master 16700’s that would have come with a ’Swiss Made’ super luminova dial? Or would such a dial necessarily be a later replacement dial?

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I don't think any came with Swiss Made, but I can't say for sure.
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Old 17 August 2020, 07:16 AM   #282
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Are there any legitimate GMT-Master 16700’s that would have come with a ’Swiss Made’ super luminova dial? Or would such a dial necessarily be a later replacement dial?

Thank you for your knowledge!
The last of the 16700's would have come out around 2000, which is the first year of the Swiss Made dials. If there were some, they would have to have been very late serials.
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I come up with a NOS “Swiss Made” dial at c24 one year ago. But dont have any idea if its serviced or not.
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Old 18 August 2020, 04:12 AM   #284
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Just to add to this with the help of jP (Springer) I determined there are 5 total dial variations for the 16700. The serials listed with each dial aren't necessarily comprehensive either as the sample size wasn't huge.

Mark I
1st Dial I found. Found in R, L, E, X, S, T, W, U Serials


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2nd Dial. Found in L, X, N, W, S, T Serials


Mark III/Mark IV
3rd T<25 Dial/1st Swiss dial. I guess we can consider it the 3rd and 4th versions. Found on U and A serials.


Mark V

Last one. Found on T and A serials.
Here’s my 1999 A serial... slightly different to those pictured, as the ‘X’ doesn’t line up with the ‘Swiss’ dial as above 🤔 🤷🏼
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Old 18 August 2020, 05:34 AM   #285
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Wow! Than you all for taking the time to respond. Very interesting.
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Old 18 August 2020, 10:57 AM   #286
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I don't think any came with Swiss Made, but I can't say for sure.
I would agree. I've owned three 1998 "A" serial numbered GMT 16700s and they all had SWISS marked dials. I haven't owned any marked SWISS MADE.

Additionally, I've owned four "A" serial numbered GMT II 16710s and three of the dials were marked SWISS and one was marked SWISS MADE.

As far as the last of the GMT 16700s go, one can only speculate whether any of the "A" serials had the SWISS MADE marking.
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Old 18 August 2020, 12:05 PM   #287
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Amazing first article and thread...just picked up a X Serial 167000. What a keeper...
I'd post some photos but for some reason it says I've never posted and need 10 posts? Did something reset LOL?

Again great thread.
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Old 18 August 2020, 10:36 PM   #288
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Amazing first article and thread...just picked up a X Serial 167000. What a keeper...
I'd post some photos but for some reason it says I've never posted and need 10 posts? Did something reset LOL?

Again great thread.
First you do not need 10 post to post a picture under the reply box just click the advanced button.Then scroll down to attache your pictures making sure it the correct file type and size its very easy to do.
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