Top 3 myths on TRF

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I've said my opinion on the first two many times. I'm not wasting my time again

You know you really want to Bas....

[ThatSubGuy]

Originally Posted by Galaga167

https://youtu.be/cEWZZWqzA6c

I'm 5 minutes in and still fail to see the point?

He is using a Taxi analogy to compare a wristwatch, saying that because the cars run all the time, they have higher service cost/rate... Yes, that is obvious..??

But car service-intervals are also not determined by time alone, rather miles/years, whichever comes first.

Never have I purchased a watch that needed service after either 5 years (or 2300 running hours, whichever comes first).

A Rolex have fixed service intervals, it doesn't matter "how much" or "how little" you wear it. The movement isn't going to break or go bad because it runs 24/7, it's intended to run 24/7 - unlike a car.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by ThatSubGuy

1. If a watch isn't worn for 10 years, you don't need to service it. (Buying NOS, or keeping a watch in a safe).

Wrong.

A mechanical watch needs oils/lubricant for all moving parts. This ensures they run friction free and don't cause any wear when metal grinds against metal. Even if lubricants/oils aren't being used, they still dry out. Depending on the oil used this would typically be anywhere between 3-8 years.

Getting the watch serviced includes re-lubricating all moving parts inside.

Will the watch still work if you don't service it? Sure, it could possibly run for another 10+ years or more. Is it advisable? No. It would just lead to higher service cost for needing to replace more internal parts due to increased wear. Other things like accuracy and power reserve also becomes questionable. Not to mention the waterproof rating if seals have dried up.

Just because "RandomGuy" online says it's not necessary and his watch still runs fine after 20 years, doesn't mean he is right and that you also don't need to.

2. Leaving your watch in a winder will cause excessive wear to the movement.

Wrong.

Of course not. Your watch is made to be worn, not just "sometimes" but ALL the time. They have been on the wrists of marines in battle, been through mud, in firefights, through swamps, ran thousands of miles, climbed mount everest and whatever else you could think of.

Unless your watchwinder vibrates more than a Sybian or spins at 10,000 RPM it will NOT cause more wear than wearing it on your wrist, as it was intended. In all likelihood it will probably cause less wear because it doesn't have to endure even wilder motions your arm makes throughout the day, or random bumps when you slam your arm against the wall/door.

If you are servicing your watch following the recommended schedule, there's no danger in having your watch on a winder 24/7.

It can only be "bad" for the movement if the watch has gone past its service schedule. (Back to myth #1)


Enjoy your Tuesday guys.

Not quite. Sorry, this is not a perfect guide to care for your watch. Watch winders in particular will cause a shorter service interval, no question about it!! This is just my opinion but from observing my watches off winders equal longer service intervals compared to watches on winders needing service sooner or stopped running altogether in an astonishingly short time.

[Dan Pierce]

I never take advice from an absolutist, ever, period, full stop.
dP

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by ThatSubGuy

I'm 5 minutes in and still fail to see the point?

He is using a Taxi analogy to compare a wristwatch, saying that because the cars run all the time, they have higher service cost/rate... Yes, that is obvious..??

But car service-intervals are also not determined by time alone, rather miles/years, whichever comes first.

Never have I purchased a watch that needed service after either 5 years (or 2300 running hours, whichever comes first).

A Rolex have fixed service intervals, it doesn't matter "how much" or "how little" you wear it. The movement isn't going to break or go bad because it runs 24/7, it's intended to run 24/7 - unlike a car.

I started a thread on roughly the same topic a few months ago. It did not go well. I don’t see you winning this argument on this forum. Just take others opinions with a grain of salt and live your life the way you see fit.

If it gives you any consolation, I wear my watch 24/7 and will not be sending it in for service till there is a need. Doesn’t matter if it’s a month from now or a decade. I will pay the price for the service and repair when the time comes.


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[dmash]

Is disagree with 3 to a degree. I know for a fact, on ‘non-hype pieces’ that they don’t get allocated that often (certain dial, metal etc), some ADs will keep a list of sort for the few who expressed interest.

But totally agree any waitlist for a hype piece in 2020 is a myth.

[dricig]

These are opinions only and trying to incorporate common sense.
Common sense does not apply around here.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

I never take advice from an absolutist, ever, period, full stop.
dP

Right, a counselor who listens to their own counselling has a fool for their patient.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Right, a counselor who listens to their own counselling has a fool for their patient.

Especially if they can write a prescription.
dP

[garyk]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

I never take advice from an absolutist, ever, period, full stop.
dP

Ha! Absolutely!!

[frtorres87]

This is a good discussion. I’m hoping someone can answer a question for me regarding a winder. I was under the impression that you can set limits to a winder. For example, I have a friend who owns a winder and he mentioned that every 12 hours it spins 150 times to the right and 150 times to the left. Technically wouldn’t that simulate only some light wear? When I wear a watch all day isn’t it experiencing more “abuse” than that? (I’m not asking to seem smart, I’m truly curious).


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[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by frtorres87

This is a good discussion. I’m hoping someone can answer a question for me regarding a winder. I was under the impression that you can set limits to a winder. For example, I have a friend who owns a winder and he mentioned that every 12 hours it spins 150 times to the right and 150 times to the left. Technically wouldn’t that simulate only some light wear? When I wear a watch all day isn’t it experiencing more “abuse” than that? (I’m not asking to seem smart, I’m truly curious).


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My “understanding” is that even though it’s not constantly “winding” as long as the watch is running it is creating unnecessary wear and tear on the movement.


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[Calatrava r]

Putting a watch, that takes a few moments to set, on a winder makes no sense to me. Its a lot easier to hide and secure a watch in a small pouch so it is not easily found and taken in a home burglary than it is on some big winder. Whether it is good or bad for the watch should not be the issue.

Rolex recommends service now about every 10 years. If they do not know what is best for their products who does. With what other products do some people proudly ignore the manufacturer's service schedule?

No question about it, if you do not mean ongoing business for the store you are not getting a hot watch. The stores would be crazy to sell hot models to "one only" strangers.

[drrd]

Thread title said it all...

[garyk]

Originally Posted by MrGoat

My “understanding” is that even though it’s not constantly “winding” as long as the watch is running it is creating unnecessary wear and tear on the movement.


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This seems correct. I have a John Deere tractor that is 15 years old. I moved to a wooded area without the need to cut grass years ago but didn't want to part with my expensive tractor. I have serviced it only once and in spite of its age with only 100 hours and occasional use to keep it running, Its like a brand new machine.

[zjd168]

To me the biggest silly myth on TRF is many people worship "UNPOLISHED" watches, even late 6-digit Rolex models, believing this magic word can translate to meaningful extra $$$.

[The Continental]

[EEpro]

Your watch isn't going in the MoMA when you're done with it whether or not you ever wound it once. It isn't a car or a John Deere, it is a mechanical clock. Just service at year 10 and live and let live.

Intelligent nontechnical people arguing about watch wear using folksy analogies is pretty funny though.

[joli160]

1. Load of rubbish.
2. Because 1 is rubbish automatically 2 is as well.
3. Thought the same but plenty people on TRF proven otherwise, your last statement is incorrect as well.

[mmaggi]

[GONZO2LR]

Wow...your real smart!!! (i have a sarcastic smile as i type)

[fsprow]

Credentials as an expert first, then facts as you have ascertained.

[jc_schmidt]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Keep your car engine running overnight,most wear and tear occurs with a cold start.

haha I'll remember that

[jcatral14]

Moving Magnet is better than Moving Coil

Wait,... wrong forum

[brandrea]

The biggest myth on TRF is that BAS is actually an ultra marathoner. Me thinks he actually owns a donut shop

[bblewis]

Crap, I have a 13-year-old watch on a winder, which hasn't been serviced, and I'm on 3-waitlists for either a Daytona or Pepsi. I think I'm doing watches all wrong.

[Big Sexy]

I disagree with 2 and 3. 3 May be true for some ADs but your painting with a broad brush. We have no idea what what all dealers are doing all the time

As for winders...yea no way on my expensive watches

[uhren917]

The REAL TRF MYTH is that one guy, who claims to have all answers is 100% right.

[Onikage]

Well I don't do winders, servicing or waitlists. So there. Winders I don't see the point for Rolexes. Servicing I'd rather pay the extra wear than have someone risk damaging my perfectly fine running watch opening it up to put it back together again. I don't put any pressure on the seals and could probably get away with 30m 'water resist'. Waiting lists pffft what a ridiculous way to buy a watch.

[Nikrnic]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Keep your car engine running overnight,most wear and tear occurs with a cold start.

Although each revolution is one step closer to a rebuild.

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