First Green-Dialed Patek Philippe Nautilus Appears at Auction - Still Sealed

[77T]

Lynyrd Skynyrd said what I think about the sleuths trying to suss this out…

Ooooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of photoshop surrounds you…

The photo shared in this thread could have easily been doctored to fulfill a blogger’s theory. Not saying the member here doctored it, but another person.



That’s not a green dial is it?

If I somehow got the various conversations mixed up, my apologies. The original Antiquorum green dial Nautilus auction photos I saw are at this link.
https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/...e=1&q=Nautilus

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[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by 77T

Lynyrd Skynyrd said what I think about the sleuths trying to suss this out…

Ooooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of photoshop surrounds you…

The photo shared in this thread could have easily been doctored to fulfill a blogger’s theory. Not saying the member here doctored it, but another person.



That’s not a green dial is it?

If I somehow got the various conversations mixed up, my apologies. The original Antiquorum green dial Nautilus auction photos I saw are at this link.
https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/...e=1&q=Nautilus

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It was in the Antiquorum live feed. And also, the date window has a clearly visible metal frame which the blue 5711 doesn’t. If you’re gonna call foul then maybe put some actual effort befind it.

[CastorKrieg]

Originally Posted by WatchingAustin

Could Patek scan the barcode off of the seal and figure out where the watch came from?

They don't care. Whoever was offered this watch spent multiples at Patek and will most likely continue to do so.

[Bbp]

I heard patek decides on who gets the green after the ADs submitted the applications (applicants must have something like a repeater to qualify) … put it in a nice way, i guess patek consolidated the ads and the son sold the green as a farewell gift… Doesnt matter to patek as the whole drama has generated extreme hype and whoever sold this had made a killing at the auction. Win win for both.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by 77T

Lynyrd Skynyrd said what I think about the sleuths trying to suss this out…

Ooooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of photoshop surrounds you…

The photo shared in this thread could have easily been doctored to fulfill a blogger’s theory. Not saying the member here doctored it, but another person.



That’s not a green dial is it?

If I somehow got the various conversations mixed up, my apologies. The original Antiquorum green dial Nautilus auction photos I saw are at this link.
https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/...e=1&q=Nautilus

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I sincerely doubt that this photo is of the same watch. Look at the time and date. The auction photos were clearly taken over a roughly two-hour period with the date on the 1st.

The photo above shows it as ~11:45 on a later date (looks like the 2nd).

Seeing as the watch is sealed, and could neither be wound nor set, I highly doubt that the watch moved around enough to have run for a minimum 14 hours (10pm on day 1 to 11:45am on day 2).

There are few enough of these in circulation that a Google image search of sealed 5711s might even show where the photo came from.


ETA: Am I to understand from the response above that this photo is actually a screen capture of the live feed? Is that live feed available to view somewhere?

[77T]

Originally Posted by dannyp

ETA: Am I to understand from the response above that this photo is actually a screen capture of the live feed? Is that live feed available to view somewhere?

That’s what IBDOC is saying. How he can see a metal frame around the date window from that fuzzy image is amazing.

I haven’t a stake in the outcome but am asking how anyone was sure that Pau’s name wasn’t just photoshopped into the image.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by IBDOC

It was in the Antiquorum live feed. And also, the date window has a clearly visible metal frame which the blue 5711 doesn’t. If you’re gonna call foul then maybe put some actual effort befind it.

Did you look at the Antiquorum listing I provided?

Many things stand out as dannyp pointed out.

The alleged screenshot is definitely a different watch.

Here from the Antiquorum listing I shared, the watch is at 8:14:20 on the 1st:



But the “screenshot” is totally different time and date. If a watch is sealed and new, how is it still running for over a day?



Something’s amiss and your insulting attitude is just one part of that.


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[dannyp]

So I went on YouTube and found some auction footage. Looks like the watch got some “action” beforehand and it may have been enough to advance it 14 hours. What I hasn’t realized was that this was a live vs online auction. It makes a little more sense that way.

[crod]

WOW a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread!!! hahahahaha

[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by 77T

Did you look at the Antiquorum listing I provided?

Many things stand out as dannyp pointed out.

The alleged screenshot is definitely a different watch.

Here from the Antiquorum listing I shared, the watch is at 8:14:20 on the 1st:



But the “screenshot” is totally different time and date. If a watch is sealed and new, how is it still running for over a day?



Something’s amiss and your insulting attitude is just one part of that.


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So you’re claiming that someone somehow found footage of another sealed 5711 where the plastic (look at the PA in PATEK) just happened to wrinkle in the same way when getting vacuum packed? And you think that I somehow have the responsibility to refute your outlandish claims? ”Definitely a different watch”?

And as for the watch time advancing: have you ever been to an actual watch auction? All the pieces are displayed and available for anyone interested to inspect, that’s just basic due diligence. This was the single most hyped piece of the auction; you don’t think dozens or even hundreds of greasy paws were tossing it around in the days leading up to the auction?

I did get one thing wrong though, it wasn’t a live feed, it was a video put up on IG by Antiquorum themselves and taken down after someone noticed the name being flashed, made screens and then it exploded after Patekaholic propagated it.

Okay, here ya go:

Full details from the cert: https://imgur.com/a/l3wsPiI
Different angle screen taken from the video: https://imgur.com/a/aHTzW8j
Pic taken during the auction, date at 2: https://imgur.com/a/xNzMVI1

And the fact that this watch came out of this (defunct) retailer in Barcelona has been confirmed by several and separate well-connected sources, including in this very thread. Why someone would want to nail the owner’s son to the cross by forging photos when the AD license was already rescinded, that’s a motive issue you’ll have to account for in your grand conspiracy theory. For my part, I’m satisfied with the likelihood that some muppet at Antiquorum screwed up.

[PPcollector]

Wow…I’d say the proof is in the pudding on this one with those images.

Amazing still how convoluted this was.

[77T]

Originally Posted by dannyp

So I went on YouTube and found some auction footage. Looks like the watch got some “action” beforehand and it may have been enough to advance it 14 hours. What I hasn’t realized was that this was a live vs online auction. It makes a little more sense that way.

Thanks - that helps explain the apparent in consistencies.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by IBDOC

And you think that I somehow have the responsibility to refute your outlandish claims? ”Definitely a different watch”?

ok


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[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by 77T

ok


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You claimed that it’s 1. A clearly different watch and by implication 2. That someone must have put in effort to forge and/or misrepresent the photograph in question. I’m not the one who put forth the claim that the picture is real, but all the available evidence suggests nothing less. You have anything else to support the idea that this is not the same watch or that the picture and/or cert is doctored?

[ts3]

Originally Posted by crod

WOW a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread!!! hahahahaha

Sign of the times I am afraid.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by crod

WOW a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread!!! hahahahaha

Originally Posted by ts3

Sign of the times I am afraid.

When a $30,000, technically-still-in-production watch sells for nearly a half-million, how could there not be at least a few conspiracy theories ...

[pam66]

...at no expense. the AD has retired shortly before, check watchcollectinglifestyle.com

[russ86]

I purchased a Patek few months ago, my AD let me cut the plastic and let me keep it afterwards as well. I also know they do that to some customers, for some they cut the plastic themselves and hand them the watch without it. Depends on your relationship with AD.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by russ86

I purchased a Patek few months ago, my AD let me cut the plastic and let me keep it afterwards as well. I also know they do that to some customers, for some they cut the plastic themselves and hand them the watch without it. Depends on your relationship with AD.

Yes, but that's different from letting you walk out with it completely sealed still... And that's what happened here.

[gyang333]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Yes, but that's different from letting you walk out with it completely sealed still... And that's what happened here.

Yes, but apparently it was the AD owner's son. So that makes sense.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by gyang333

Yes, but apparently it was the AD owner's son. So that makes sense.

Yup. And the AD was going under.

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by russ86

I purchased a Patek few months ago, my AD let me cut the plastic and let me keep it afterwards as well. I also know they do that to some customers, for some they cut the plastic themselves and hand them the watch without it. Depends on your relationship with AD.

It’s all about the relationship, how important you are to the AD or to Patek for some.

[Uros]

TS son cant have it but son of closing AD can…price is justified if watch not opened and offered for sale in 30 years (maybe)…


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[cascavel]

Originally Posted by dannyp

When a $30,000, technically-still-in-production watch sells for nearly a half-million, how could there not be at least a few conspiracy theories ...

You got that right. This situation is riddled with conspiracies.

[V25V]

All this for a green dial watch.... lol amazing.


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[CAWatchLove]

Not a chance in hell AD was risking suspension to do this. Patek knows and LOVES it’s own hype in auctions like this stating it’s still “sealed”. It’s called discreet marketing and hype by Patek which will look the other way and then joyously giggle as the price Sky rockets at auction pouring gasoline on the flame called HYPE. Then the following a week a corporate email will go out to AD’s “as a reminder to protect our products and customers, please remember to remove seals”. End of story with that one

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by CAWatchLove

Not a chance in hell AD was risking suspension to do this. Patek knows and LOVES it’s own hype in auctions like this stating it’s still “sealed”. It’s called discreet marketing and hype by Patek which will look the other way and then joyously giggle as the price Sky rockets at auction pouring gasoline on the flame called HYPE. Then the following a week a corporate email will go out to AD’s “as a reminder to protect our products and customers, please remember to remove seals”. End of story with that one

Sorry, but that's not the case.

The AD was going under. They didn't need to care.

[wb55]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Sorry, but that's not the case.



The AD was going under. They didn't need to care.

Retiring is not going under.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by wb55

Retiring is not going under.

Yes, it is.

Individuals retire. Businesses go under.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by CAWatchLove

Not a chance in hell AD was risking suspension to do this. Patek knows and LOVES it’s own hype in auctions like this stating it’s still “sealed”. It’s called discreet marketing and hype by Patek which will look the other way and then joyously giggle as the price Sky rockets at auction pouring gasoline on the flame called HYPE. Then the following a week a corporate email will go out to AD’s “as a reminder to protect our products and customers, please remember to remove seals”. End of story with that one