Jakarta...Vintage Rolex Paradise!!!

[swatty]

Originally Posted by archie42

If Indonesia is so wonderful.... why do 99.9% of Ebay sellers refuse to ship to Indonesia?

Archie, maybe its best to say nothing , than insult people here.

[valentine]

sounds like fun TR!!!!! any vintage daytonas??? Im itching for one!!!!! thanks for sharing as always, TR!....or is it TP now?? for trupaneristi???

[Latrodectus]

I would love to go to Jakarta...and I would buy there too!

[eggy]

Thanks for letting us know this useful info.

I'm just back from Zurich....plenty of nice watches, probably more than Jakarta.....but the prices!!! Forget it.

This is the kind of useful info we need. I do a lot of travelling and this is useful.

Cheers mate

[Goodwatch]

Next year! Anne and myself will visit Indonesia again (4 weeks this time ) and we will also stay in Jakarta. And Malang. And Yogja. And go to Sumatra. Oh yeah!

[builtforspeed]

TR, this is a timely post for me, as I've been thinking more and more about collecting vintage Subs. Thanks!

Did you get any photos of the shops and watches?

Cheers,

Chris

[archie42]

Hello,
Let's clear the air....

Both Indonesia and Thailand are developing countries.... I know dealers from both countries..... UNLESS YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE EXPERT - repeat EXPERT on vintage Rolex.... you need to be extra extra careful when buying Vintage Rolex....

The laws in both countries make it impossible to seek legal restitution......

There are heaps heaps heaps - of converted/bodgy vintage rolex watches over there....

All sorts of tricks you would not even begin to understand!

Real movement - fake case
real dial - fake /wrong movement

The list is very very long......

Please trust me on this..... I am very knowledgeable on vintage.... I have seen most things......

I have nothing against Indonesia or its lady folk...... but buying vintage Rolex.... YIKES .... that is another story....

[Goodwatch]

Originally Posted by archie42

Hello,
Let's clear the air....

Both Indonesia and Thailand are developing countries.... I know dealers from both countries..... UNLESS YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE EXPERT - repeat EXPERT on vintage Rolex.... you need to be extra extra careful when buying Vintage Rolex....

The laws in both countries make it impossible to seek legal restitution......

There are heaps heaps heaps - of converted/bodgy vintage rolex watches over there....

All sorts of tricks you would not even begin to understand!

Real movement - fake case
real dial - fake /wrong movement

The list is very very long......

Please trust me on this..... I am very knowledgeable on vintage.... I have seen most things......

I have nothing against Indonesia or its lady folk...... but buying vintage Rolex.... YIKES .... that is another story....

Plausible. When was the last time you were in Indonesia? (I was there last year). And while you were there, have you examined those watches?

[gmtobsessed]

Originally Posted by archie42

Don't get too excited.... Alot of the pieces in Indonesia are "barstards" .... ie a mix match of genuine and not so genuine parts......

Personally I would not trust many Jakarta Vintage watch dealers......

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Fake timepieces can be found almost in every country, but the size
of the market is different in each countries. Indonesia have large market
for this dodgy business no doubt about that, but there is a fine line dividing real and fake market and who's buying which.
There is a fine line dividing AD and reputable grey dealer and dodgy street vendor selling cheap knockoffs.
Hey, we not even supposed to discussed about knockoffs in this forum.

If you still feel that way, thats perfectly fine and understandable, but
why don't you keep it to yourself?! Maybe same goes with your luxury
secondhand purse list

[Jedi]

Archie, stay in Australia where it's safe. Don't go out. Watch out for funnelwebs, and drop bears too. Scary world out there. You've seen it all. Leave us be. We don't know what we're getting ourselves into.

Oooh.


Risk.



Danger.




I love it.

[valentine]

Originally Posted by Jedi

Archie, stay in Australia where it's safe. Don't go out. Watch out for funnelwebs, and drop bears too. Scary world out there. You've seen it all. Leave us be. We don't know what we're getting ourselves into.

Oooh.


Risk.



Danger.




I love it.

nice one Lee...I love danger too..UNLESS there is the possiblity I may scratch my rolex sorry...couldnt resist

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Sell the PAMs

Go shopping

Then we can call you TruVintageRolexer

Good idea...

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Next year! Anne and myself will visit Indonesia again (4 weeks this time ) and we will also stay in Jakarta. And Malang. And Yogja. And go to Sumatra. Oh yeah!

Frans, I really hope we can meet, even maybe only little time.
Please PM me if you planning to go to Jakarta.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by archie42

If Indonesia is so wonderful.... why do 99.9% of Ebay sellers refuse to ship to Indonesia?

Archie, why oh why?
If you really want to buy one of their vintage, you can ask 'em to open the caseback and you can look the movement. If fake (), you can cancel the deal.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by valentine

sounds like fun TR!!!!! any vintage daytonas??? Im itching for one!!!!! thanks for sharing as always, TR!....or is it TP now?? for trupaneristi???

No vintage Daytona, sorry. Maybe only Daytona Zenith movement they have.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Jedi

Archie, stay in Australia where it's safe. Don't go out. Watch out for funnelwebs, and drop bears too. Scary world out there. You've seen it all. Leave us be. We don't know what we're getting ourselves into.

Oooh.


Risk.



Danger.




I love it.

Good one, Lee!!!

[Throttle]

I happen to travel around the region quite a fair bit and jakarta is a frequent spot for me.

Although this thread is many years old, i thought i would update it a bit.

Vintage is pretty tough to find in Jakarta nowadays.
It has been bought up by many of my rich chinese indo friends.
They have a club where they gather to have dinners and appreciate each others collection. These are million dollar collections acquired from around the world not just locally.

As for preown stuff, Blok M plaza has quite a handful of shops, maybe 10?
Regular 5 digit to current 6 digit and even alphanumeric references available.
Really not too many true vintages around nowadays.
Only saw 3 on my last trip there, couple of days ago.

I was also in Tokyo last month, visiting several vintage preowned watch shops in nagano and ueno. Prices are decent , bot cheap but the Japanese are really perfectionists and the shops do a really good job refurbishing the preowned watches. Jpy is also quite soft lately, perhaps that adds to the attractiveness of buying in Japan.

Enjoy