Deteriorating Patek quality, need ideas to stop my brand new blue 5711 from rusting

[jay-k]

Mine is a september 2020 5990.

Also have the same problem, exactly like OP's and JR16's Pictures.

At first I thought it was some stain from food.. but it appeared to be perfect circle and at all four sides. cleaned it but there is still circle marks without rust.

I am still confuse of what to do.. my dealer is not at my home country.. logistics during covid is serious problem.

[fsprow]

I have looked over the photos from the previous posting, and believe the reddish material is a corrosion product rather than simple rust. I would further speculate that it comes from inadequate removal of the highly corrosive soldering flux used when the pins and attachments were soldered in the bracelet. If this is indeed correct, which it might well not be, the material could be removed by lightly polishing the surface. I hope you will let us on the forum know when you get this attended to as to what the cause was.

[pav333hp]

Can you share pictures? This is a bit concerning given that 5990 is now $59k

Originally Posted by jay-k

Mine is a september 2020 5990.

Also have the same problem, exactly like OP's and JR16's Pictures.

At first I thought it was some stain from food.. but it appeared to be perfect circle and at all four sides. cleaned it but there is still circle marks without rust.

I am still confuse of what to do.. my dealer is not at my home country.. logistics during covid is serious problem.

[fatderek]

Hard to believe it's a rust.

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by fsprow

I have looked over the photos from the previous posting, and believe the reddish material is a corrosion product rather than simple rust. I would further speculate that it comes from inadequate removal of the highly corrosive soldering flux used when the pins and attachments were soldered in the bracelet. If this is indeed correct, which it might well not be, the material could be removed by lightly polishing the surface. I hope you will let us on the forum know when you get this attended to as to what the cause was.

No soldering? These are friction fit pins and sleeves. I have adjusted my bracelets personally.


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[ts3]

Originally Posted by pdnb

No soldering? These are friction fit pins and sleeves. I have adjusted my bracelets personally.


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This is not about the removable links but about the fixed links where the pins are covered with "metal plugs" on both sides.

[daveo5]

Reading all this makes me glad my Patek dates from around 1998. Faultless.


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[de66]

Oof....
This brings back memories of the “Geneva Seal” vs “Patek Philippe Seal”
discussions.

No problems myself but definitely looks like faulty bracelet/link production

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by daveo5

Reading all this makes me glad my Patek dates from around 1998. Faultless.


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I doubt the date had any bearing.

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by ts3

This is not about the removable links but about the fixed links where the pins are covered with "metal plugs" on both sides.

Ahhh…I missed that


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[RoscoPico]

what was the outcome here ? i wouldn't be totally surprised if vintage does play an issue.
all over the construction industry cheaper, imported metals are being used and it is noticeable. bearings rusting out in 2 yrs, as opposed to 15. soft solder/welded joints with diminished integrity. seeing it all.

but you would think patek has a firm grasp on their stock metals.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by RoscoPico

what was the outcome here ?

OP received a new 5711 with the new movement as far as I recall.

[JC180]

Funny I should come across this. My white gold caseback on my 5960 has tarnished in a section after 3 weeks...

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by ts3

OP received a new 5711 with the new movement as far as I recall.

thank you, guess i missed that. still curious, was it really rust ? just seems impossible

Originally Posted by JC180

Funny I should come across this. My white gold caseback on my 5960 has tarnished in a section after 3 weeks...

i guess not impossible

pics please.

[JC180]

Here you go. No idea how white gold can tarnish...

[fsprow]

White gold is actually yellow gold with other materials added to change its color - typically palladium or manganese. Most white gold jewelry is coated with rhodium to whiten the metal, which I know Patek at one time did but ceased since the rhodium gradually wears away.. Without the rhodium coating, the alloying materials undergo some changes over time and the gold will begin to turn somewhat yellow again. This should be a lengthy process, however.

[fatderek]

Still can't believe it's a rust.

[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by JC180

Here you go. No idea how white gold can tarnish...

Isn’t that just debris deposition on a non-polished surface? I guess 18K gold can sort of oxidize over the long term but not that uniformly.