Getting a 16710 Pepsi

[donald83]

Hello everyone i need some advice. I am interested to get a Pepsi 16710 and I used to own a 16700, but didn't like the hollow end links. I only recently realised the 16710 has SEL but not all series has it.


1. Does SEL feel like the bracelet of a modern piece without rattling?
2. I see some has pinholes and some without. Which year onwards has pinholes and anything to note of around pinholes?
3. Recently hardly see any good examples with full set for sale. Anyone has experience purchasing from chrono24 or any good vintage dealers to intro or help source?

[Tools]

1. How modern is "modern"? SEL bracelets have been around since about 2000, but you can put an SEL bracelet on any 16710 back into the 90's. Rattling? Properly adjusted bracelets are sound and will last for decades.

2. The through lug holes were phased out by 2002. It's little more than cosmetics, although the through hole spring bars are thicker/stronger at the pivot end.

3. Do your own shopping, there are sources everywhere.

[donald83]

Originally Posted by Tools

1. How modern is "modern"? SEL bracelets have been around since about 2000, but you can put an SEL bracelet on any 16710 back into the 90's. Rattling? Properly adjusted bracelets are sound and will last for decades.

2. The through lug holes were phased out by 2002. It's little more than cosmetics, although the through hole spring bars are thicker/stronger at the pivot end.

3. Do your own shopping, there are sources everywhere.

Modern meaning the 6 digits. I like the solid feel of the current bracelet.

Does SEL in the 5 digits feel the same?


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[donald83]

Originally Posted by Tools

1. How modern is "modern"? SEL bracelets have been around since about 2000, but you can put an SEL bracelet on any 16710 back into the 90's. Rattling? Properly adjusted bracelets are sound and will last for decades.

2. The through lug holes were phased out by 2002. It's little more than cosmetics, although the through hole spring bars are thicker/stronger at the pivot end.

3. Do your own shopping, there are sources everywhere.

Also, are the centre links solid as well?


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[TuRo]

Each to their own, but I much prefer the more utilitarian/tool watch vibe of earlier tritium versions, that feel more like the 700/760/750 optically and in touch and feel.

The later non lug hole Luminova ones just don't do it for me.

I'll have a sportsman bet that in 20 yrs an early tritium, non-solid e/l, non flip clasp, lug hole version will be 30-50% more expensive than a later swiss made model.

Buy you all a beer if I'm wrong, and more importantly still alive !

[swish77]

Agree with above, and in general, I'd never buy a watch based just on the bracelet. That's almost like buying a car based on the tires.

Wouldn't a later 16710 bracelet with SEL fit on an earlier version of the watch, or even a 16700? I'd have no problem doing that ..... as long as I had the original and correct bracelet squirreled away for safe keeping.

[Stan Cooper]

My P-serial 16710 (purchased from AD in May, 2001) has lug holes and the oyster bracelet has solid end links. The bracelet is lighter than the new 6-digit bracelets with polished center links, but it has held up beautifully (still looks and wears like new after daily wear for 21 years).

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Stan Cooper

My P-serial 16710 (purchased from AD in May, 2001) has lug holes and the oyster bracelet has solid end links. The bracelet is lighter than the new 6-digit bracelets with polished center links, but it has held up beautifully (still looks and wears like new after daily wear for 21 years).

My K series [2001] 16710 has both lug holes & SELs as well. Lug holes really make strap changes a breeze and are a nice reminder of the original tool watch pedigree. The 3 year run of these GMT II's will certainly be a part of collectors future value calculations.
dP

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by donald83

Modern meaning the 6 digits. I like the solid feel of the current bracelet.

I think you accidentally posted in the wrong forum, my friend.

[indianmachine]

If you are looking at a 5 digit, I would recommend one with tritium and ideally a nice patina.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I think you accidentally posted in the wrong forum, my friend.

Indeed...

We're REALLY biased here, the older the better.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by donald83

Also, are the centre links solid as well?

No 16710 ever came with solid center links, however some of the later bracelets will fit

[Mdpaint]

You can put a 6 digit bracelet on a 5 digit sels case if you wanted the modern bracelet with the classic head

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[donald83]

Does the SEL feel any different from the earlier hollow end links when out on the wrist?

I used to own the 16700 but somehow the clasp doesn’t fall in the middle of my wrist





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[TuRo]

Originally Posted by donald83

Does the SEL feel any different from the earlier hollow end links when out on the wrist?

I used to own the 16700 but somehow the clasp doesn’t fall in the middle of my wrist





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Little tip for uneven clasp (if all removable links already taken out).

So, if you have different number of links at each end eg 4 and 3 or 4 and 5 etc - unscrew the clasp at links both ends of the clasp, take bracelet off switch the now two parts eg 4 and 5 links round....so the 3-4 north (model number) to south (SRL number end) is now 4-3 north to south and then refit the whole lot and the uneven clasp should be fixed ! If you have 4 links north 4 links south it won't work of course !

[Heff]

I just picked up a 16710 with SEL oyster and bought a jubilee bracelet. I wear it on the jubilee and the end links are hollow. The oyster has hollow center links.

I know what you mean about the sturdiness of the newer models. If that’s what you are after, you will not be happy with the 16710 unless you purchase a super jubilee.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Stan Cooper

My P-serial 16710 (purchased from AD in May, 2001) has lug holes and the oyster bracelet has solid end links. The bracelet is lighter than the new 6-digit bracelets with polished center links, but it has held up beautifully (still looks and wears like new after daily wear for 21 years).

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

My K series [2001] 16710 has both lug holes & SELs as well. Lug holes really make strap changes a breeze and are a nice reminder of the original tool watch pedigree. The 3 year run of these GMT II's will certainly be a part of collectors future value calculations.
dP

That’s exactly what I’d look for

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Little tip for uneven clasp (if all removable links already taken out).

So, if you have different number of links at each end eg 4 and 3 or 4 and 5 etc - unscrew the clasp at links both ends of the clasp, take bracelet off switch the now two parts eg 4 and 5 links round....so the 3-4 north (model number) to south (SRL number end) is now 4-3 north to south and then refit the whole lot and the uneven clasp should be fixed ! If you have 4 links north 4 links south it won't work of course !

You won't get less than 4(four) fixed links, ever, unless you grind one off.

[Kirk]

Personally I understand the focus on the bracelet. A good bracelet really kind of makes or breaks the watch for me! I swear I have an IWC Mark XVIII that I can't part with just because the bracelet is so excellent!

I have a 2001 16710 with SEL bracelet and can confirm that if tight and not stretched out it's really pretty good. The center links are still hollow. The clasp, although stamped, is excellent because it's so thin, a lot thinner than the 5 digit Sub clasps that had to make room for a diver's extension.

Modern bracelets for the 40mm Sub and GMT's will fit. I have a 2022 BLNR and the Oyster and Jubilee bracelets both fit (not perfectly, but 95% perfect) and really class up the watch. The Tudor BB58 clasp will also fit the original bracelet if you want a better quality, thin milled clasp. Finally, the Ginault 94530G bracelet should fit, has solid end links, solid middle links, and a Glidelock style clasp. I have one on order ($250).

[donald83]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

My K series [2001] 16710 has both lug holes & SELs as well. Lug holes really make strap changes a breeze and are a nice reminder of the original tool watch pedigree. The 3 year run of these GMT II's will certainly be a part of collectors future value calculations.
dP

Hi Dan,

I saw your post in watchuseek last year talking about the same subject.

You mentioned serial A, P and K. How about Y? There are some Y examples with lug holes and SEL too right?




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[donald83]

Also,

Can you guys help check if this advert is a good example? K series

https://www.carousell.sg/p/1161902984/


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