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GGGMT · 23 May 2020, 03:30 AM

This is such an easy thing to do, so simple, particularly with a fairly common watch. Just peruse the offerings of the boutique sellers here. This watch is available constantly there.

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Mitcher4 · 23 May 2020, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GGGMT

This is such an easy thing to do, so simple, particularly with a fairly common watch. Just peruse the offerings of the boutique sellers here. This watch is available constantly there.

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You're absolutely right, it should be simple and I thought I had it taken care of with my initial purchase. Obviously not the case.

And yea now I'm just grappling with a bunch of things...do I want to spend this much money above MSRP, do I wait, do I care about unworn or not? I had all that decided, clearly as I made a purchase, but this experience has certainly impacted my thinking on round 2.

Mitcher4 · 28 May 2020, 03:28 AM

Ok, let's try this again. I made a purchase from a trusted TRF boutique. Will say which after but would love anyone's opinions agnostic of the seller. I feel much more confident about this version. Could immediately feel the difference in "heft" between this and version 1.0 (which I did weigh and seemed right...).

Anyhow, pictures attached (not great quality once shrunk, I know. Happy to take more if anyone needs) -- let me know if anything stands out!

Thanks,

Mitch

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 03:31 AM

Need clear photos if dial area at least.
I can hardly even see the crown guards in photo 1.
Is crown unscrewed?
A

Mitcher4 · 28 May 2020, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Need clear photos if dial area at least.
I can hardly even see the crown guards in photo 1.
Is crown unscrewed?
A

Attached. I don't know why it is so hard for me to get good pictures of this watch. It's so dang shiny and haven't been able to get better lighting...

The crown is screwed down all the way.

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 03:44 AM

This all looks OK to me - no red flags
Strangely (dont know why) the first photo still makes crown guards look smaller
Other photos correct that

so to me - no red flags, but again to me that does not make it authentic
Regards

Mitcher4 · 28 May 2020, 03:48 AM

Totally understand you can only do so much from pictures (and bad ones at that). Just looking for an over all consensus of if anything JUMPS out...which I will then cross-reference with the fact the seller is trustworthy to have confidence.

Took a couple more through the loup which might be a little better.

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 03:49 AM

my feeling its good.
Enjoy

RoscoPico · 28 May 2020, 08:09 AM

what's the Y15 on the bracelet ? that common ?
i'm no expert. but kinda think the magnification on cyclops is less than it should be.
sure hope you're not trying to sell this

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoscoPico

what's the Y15 on the bracelet ? that common ?
i'm no expert. but kinda think the magnification on cyclops is less than it should be.
sure hope you're not trying to sell this

That’s the bracelet date code.
Legit code 3 digit random

Mitcher4 · 28 May 2020, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoscoPico

what's the Y15 on the bracelet ? that common ?
i'm no expert. but kinda think the magnification on cyclops is less than it should be.
sure hope you're not trying to sell this

Well it just came in today, and as of now I have no intention of ever selling it...so not sure what that comment is referencing.

This came from a trusted seller so how confident are you in a magnification issue?

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitcher4

Well it just came in today, and as of now I have no intention of ever selling it...so not sure what that comment is referencing.

This came from a trusted seller so how confident are you in a magnification issue?

Fake Rolex or crystals rarely magnify by 2.5 times.
Indeed I never saw a fake Rolex where the cyclops acts better than genuine
You took last photos via a loupe so I am not surprised it looks stronger

GLADIATOR · 28 May 2020, 08:26 AM

Ps. If you pm me the serial number I will run a check on it.
A

Bigblu10 · 29 May 2020, 02:43 AM

As someone who owned this watch, it looks genuine to me.

thesharkfactor · 29 May 2020, 05:44 AM

It looks good to me, but then so did the 1st one (though I can see the flaws now they have been pointed out).

For future reference, unscrewing the crown and pulling it right out and screwing it back in can be a good test if you are unsure, it should wind in and out as smooth as butter, fakes will usually grind in and out and you might see the date move in the window or even the whole dial might move as the crown goes back in.

GLADIATOR · 29 May 2020, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

unscrewing the crown and screwing it back in can be a good test if you are unsure, it should wind in and out as smooth as butter, fakes are usually grind in and out.

I dont think so.
Latest fakes crowns and stems screw on perfectly.

razzz · 31 May 2020, 02:21 AM

I'm not an expert, but should the A in Submariner have a flat top. Or is that not always the case?

GLADIATOR · 31 May 2020, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by razzz

I'm not an expert, but should the A in Submariner have a flat top. Or is that not always the case?

To be honest I never even looked at that - Normally and on DAYTONA's it is flat topped.

On the HULK, both types seem to exist (pointed and flat) - I got no idea what date it changes.
But pointed exists and I still think from what I can see the OPs watch is genuine.
Here is just one example of pointed "A" - I found a few
http://btcwatch.net/en/startseite/20...iner-hulk.html

Adam

razzz · 31 May 2020, 08:36 AM

Interesting. Rolex dial changes are hard to keep track of.

GLADIATOR · 31 May 2020, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razzz

Interesting. Rolex dial changes are hard to keep track of.

There are people on here that know many of the permutations.
I only know a few.
A

Bigblu10 · 31 May 2020, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

There are people on here that know many of the permutations.
I only know a few.
A

The watch is 100% genuine. I had the OP name me the seller. Seller is one of the best here out of all the TS's.

GLADIATOR · 31 May 2020, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The watch is 100% genuine. I had the OP name me the seller. Seller is one of the best here out of all the TS's.

I never had any doubt from the 2nd set of external photos.
As I responded a few times to others claims (cyclops, pointed A)

So it’s good to hear your confirmation
Regards

tigey · 1 June 2020, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

The photo is a stock photo.
Did they have photos of the actual watch.

I suspect movement is genuine - hence reason they thought and sold watch as genuine
A

Why would someone put a real movement in a fake watch? If your going to due someone anyway just leave the fake movement alone and make an extra $3000.

GLADIATOR · 1 June 2020, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigey

Why would someone put a real movement in a fake watch? If your going to due someone anyway just leave the fake movement alone and make an extra $3000.

Well this has been discussed a lot.
But a genuine movement will fool (dupe) most if not all.
So more chance of selling it at high price
And the movements were stolen so no cost at all.
A

28 May 2020, 03:31 AM	#64
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Need clear photos if dial area at least. I can hardly even see the crown guards in photo 1. Is crown unscrewed? A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

28 May 2020, 03:44 AM	#66
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	This all looks OK to me - no red flags Strangely (dont know why) the first photo still makes crown guards look smaller Other photos correct that so to me - no red flags, but again to me that does not make it authentic Regards __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

28 May 2020, 03:49 AM	#68
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	my feeling its good. Enjoy __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

28 May 2020, 08:26 AM	#73
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Ps. If you pm me the serial number I will run a check on it. A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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23 May 2020, 03:30 AM	#61
GGGMT 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,018	This is such an easy thing to do, so simple, particularly with a fairly common watch. Just peruse the offerings of the boutique sellers here. This watch is available constantly there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 May 2020, 08:09 AM	#69
RoscoPico "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Watch: ingMe,WatchingYou. Posts: 1,462	what's the Y15 on the bracelet ? that common ? i'm no expert. but kinda think the magnification on cyclops is less than it should be. sure hope you're not trying to sell this

29 May 2020, 02:43 AM	#74
Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	As someone who owned this watch, it looks genuine to me.

29 May 2020, 05:44 AM	#75
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,485	It looks good to me, but then so did the 1st one (though I can see the flaws now they have been pointed out). For future reference, unscrewing the crown and pulling it right out and screwing it back in can be a good test if you are unsure, it should wind in and out as smooth as butter, fakes will usually grind in and out and you might see the date move in the window or even the whole dial might move as the crown goes back in.

31 May 2020, 08:36 AM	#79
razzz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: NorCal Posts: 24	Interesting. Rolex dial changes are hard to keep track of.

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