Rolex and Tudor on same dial?

[wolfwinter]

I found this on Melrose Jewelers browsing. I didnt know that Rolex ever put Tudor on the dial with the Rolex name. Is this real?

http://www.melrosejewelers.com/info/...tudor_298.htm#

[tudorman8276]

...and MISREPRESENTATION.

...if there is an eBay listing for this watch, please post it in this thread.

...Rolex NEVER produced a TUDOR watch DIAL with the Rolex Crown or the word Rolex on it.

Stan.

[TimeToGo]

Good catch! also known as RUDORs..

[padi56]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...and MISREPRESENTATION.

...if there is an eBay listing for this watch, please post it in this thread.

...Rolex NEVER produced a TUDOR watch DIAL with the Rolex Crown or the word Rolex on it.

Stan.

Well not quite trues Stan in the mid 1940s many Tudors had the word Rolex
as well on dial.And I had three at one time one was a rose gold with Tudor
at 12 and around the sub seconds dial at 6 Rolex Watch Company.

And yes a genuine dial 1940s Rolex Tudor

[wolfwinter]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...and MISREPRESENTATION.

...if there is an eBay listing for this watch, please post it in this thread.

...Rolex NEVER produced a TUDOR watch DIAL with the Rolex Crown or the word Rolex on it.

Stan.

Check out the link to Melrose Jewelers, the have a whole bunch of newer Rolex watches with both on the dial. I think that borders on fraud.

http://www.melrosejewelers.com/categ...atch_rolex.htm

[Terry Newton]

Originally Posted by wolfwinter

Check out the link to Melrose Jewelers, the have a whole bunch of newer Rolex watches with both on the dial. I think that borders on fraud.

http://www.melrosejewelers.com/categ...atch_rolex.htm

Read about them here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0178486.htm

Terry Newton

[TimeToGo]

Wow, Terry.

Good find. I wonder if Ebay knows about this..

[wolfwinter]

and they still around and scamming people? This world is going the hell in a hand basket..

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Read about them here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0178486.htm

Terry Newton

...Terry. Thank you for showing us that!!!

Stan.

[springer]

While some believe Rolex might have produced dials originally signed Rolex Tudor during the period of 1946, I have yet to see a genuine one, find any genuine reference material on it or have personnel from Rolex verify it. Tudor wasn't around in the early 1940's, so early 1940's dialed Tudors are not possible.

The problem now is with all the fake dialed Tudor Rolexes for sale that have redials purporting or insinuating it is a Rolex. With that said, the proliferation of late, with all the Rolex dialed Tudor watches is fraud, as these watches are not a Rolex brand watch or model but a Tudor brand watch with Tudor serials numbers and movements unlike a Rolex brand watch. I and others have beaten this dog to death here. There are plenty posts regarding this subject in the archives if one wishes to look. With all the Tudors made, it is amazing that there aren't any genuine examples of the Rolex Tudor dialed watches to be found for sale. If there are some around, the odds of a 1940's vintage Tudor still wearing an original dial are pretty slim. If somebody has one I'd like to see it.

The Tudor watches with the Rolex signed dials that have been discused here on the forum have all been fake dials in violation of the Lanham Act. They were produced to deceive others into believing they were a Rolex. As far as Rolex signed crowns, bands and other parts being found on a Tudor doesn't change the fact that the watch is still a Tudor. If Rolex wanted them to be Rolxexes, they wouldn't have created the Tudor brand of watches. It is unlike many other watches manufactured and identical except for the brand name. As an example, Heuer made the same identical chronograph watch and branded it under many names, to include Zodiac and Sears. Rolex created a new brand of watch, named it Tudor, and gave it a few Rolex parts. As far as I know, Rolex never made a complete Tudor that was identical to any Rolex watch, unlike Heuer and other watch companies. I'm sure this was done for a reason.

As far as Melrose Jewelers go, the watches are violations of the Lanham Act, unless Rolex authorized it. Since Rolex didn't ever produce dials like this, in my opinion, I believe it is fraud.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well not quite trues Stan in the mid 1940s many Tudors had the word Rolex
as well on dial.And I had three at one time one was a rose gold with Tudor
at 12 and around the sub seconds dial at 6 Rolex Watch Company.

And yes a genuine dial 1940s Rolex Tudor

...that you have pictured with ONLY the word Tudor on it.

...Padi, I would surmise that the one pictured has been re-done, sometime during it's life, to show the word Rolex.

...as Springer has posted, these Tudor watches are being REPRESENTED as Rolex. Something they are NOT, have NOT been, and will NEVER be.

...albeit, the Tudor line was/is made under strict Rolex supervision so as to have great quality also. Lord knows I own a few (about 30) that I will put up against their Rolex counterparts for durability and accuracy any day. (And, yes, I own a few D/D with the "California Dial" that are simply georgeous-BUT, they are Tudors, all day long.)

Sincerely, Stan.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by springer

While some believe Rolex might have produced dials originally signed Rolex Tudor during the period of 1946, I have yet to see a genuine one, find any genuine reference material on it or have personnel from Rolex verify it. Tudor wasn't around in the early 1940's, so early 1940's dialed Tudors are not possible.

The problem now is with all the fake dialed Tudor Rolexes for sale that have redials purporting or insinuating it is a Rolex. With that said, the proliferation of late, with all the Rolex dialed Tudor watches is fraud, as these watches are not a Rolex brand watch or model but a Tudor brand watch with Tudor serials numbers and movements unlike a Rolex brand watch. I and others have beaten this dog to death here. There are plenty posts regarding this subject in the archives if one wishes to look. With all the Tudors made, it is amazing that there aren't any genuine examples of the Rolex Tudor dialed watches to be found for sale. If there are some around, the odds of a 1940's vintage Tudor still wearing an original dial are pretty slim. If somebody has one I'd like to see it.

The Tudor watches with the Rolex signed dials that have been discused here on the forum have all been fake dials in violation of the Lanham Act. They were produced to deceive others into believing they were a Rolex. As far as Rolex signed crowns, bands and other parts being found on a Tudor doesn't change the fact that the watch is still a Tudor. If Rolex wanted them to be Rolxexes, they wouldn't have created the Tudor brand of watches. It is unlike many other watches manufactured and identical except for the brand name. As an example, Heuer made the same identical chronograph watch and branded it under many names, to include Zodiac and Sears. Rolex created a new brand of watch, named it Tudor, and gave it a few Rolex parts. As far as I know, Rolex never made a complete Tudor that was identical to any Rolex watch, unlike Heuer and other watch companies. I'm sure this was done for a reason.

As far as Melrose Jewelers go, the watches are violations of the Lanham Act, unless Rolex authorized it. Since Rolex didn't ever produce dials like this, in my opinion, I believe it is fraud.

...for sharing this info again.

...fellers, I HAVE to get to bed so I can get up at 3AM and go Deer hunting with my sons.

...wishing you all the best for the weekend.

Stan.

[stevemulholland3]

I have been contacted by several people who where scammed by these conmen as well...
stay far away from them!!

[aceshigh601]

I recently purchased a 1940's Tudor for my father. It looks original and has nice patina on the dial but has a rolex signed crown. Seller promised all original, etc. Did Tudor make watches with a Rolex crown ever?
-E

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by springer

While some believe Rolex might have produced dials originally signed Rolex Tudor during the period of 1946, I have yet to see a genuine one, find any genuine reference material on it or have personnel from Rolex verify it. Tudor wasn't around in the early 1940's, so early 1940's dialed Tudors are not possible.

I don't understand why this stuff continues to come up.

Rolex was producing Tudor signed watches in the 20's and 30's, long before it became a separate brand in 1946.

The Tudor watch website, in its history section says Rolex sold Tudor branded watches as early as the 20's and 30's and some rare examples of co-branded Tudor/Rolex watches. Please visit the Tudor website if you don't believe me... or is it fake too?

There's many examples around like Stan's, but you choose to dismiss them simply because they are co-branded. They are also depicted in old catalogues which you also choose to dismiss as not genuine. If "Tudor wasn't around in the early 1940's" then Rolex didn't know about it since it was registered on Wilsdorf's behalf in 1926 and he legally acquired it in 1936. 1936 was also the first use of the rose graphic on Rolex Tudor watches. Resistance is futile.

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by aceshigh601

I recently purchased a 1940's Tudor for my father. It looks original and has nice patina on the dial but has a rolex signed crown. Seller promised all original, etc. Did Tudor make watches with a Rolex crown ever?
-E

Tudor had Rolex branded bracelets until 1971 and the Tudor subs had Rolex crowns and oyster cases until the mid-90s.

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by nowzen

I don't understand why this stuff continues to come up.

Rolex was producing Tudor signed watches in the 20's and 30's, long before it became a separate brand in 1946.

The Tudor watch website, in its history section says Rolex sold Tudor branded watches as early as the 20's and 30's and some rare examples of co-branded Tudor/Rolex watches. Please visit the Tudor website if you don't believe me... or is it fake too?

There's many examples around like Stan's, but you choose to dismiss them simply because they are co-branded. They are also depicted in old catalogues which you also choose to dismiss as not genuine. If "Tudor wasn't around in the early 1940's" then Rolex didn't know about it since it was registered on Wilsdorf's behalf in 1926 and he legally acquired it in 1936. 1936 was also the first use of the rose graphic on Rolex Tudor watches. Resistance is futile.

it doesn't continue to come up, this thread is 3 years old

[mrbill2mrbill2]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Good catch! also known as RUDORs..

Roudor!

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by Mosco

it doesn't continue to come up, this thread is 3 years old

Time is but the stream I go fishin' in...

[mrfreaz]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...and MISREPRESENTATION.

...if there is an eBay listing for this watch, please post it in this thread.

...Rolex NEVER produced a TUDOR watch DIAL with the Rolex Crown or the word Rolex on it.

Stan.

From The Tudor Website:

1932 FIRST TUDOR WATCHES IN AUSTRALIA
The first watches bear a simple TUDOR signature on the dial, with the horizontal bar of the T lengthened above the other letters. On some rare pieces, the name Rolex also appears.

[mrfreaz]

I don't think that Rolex putting their name on a Tudor dial should really come as such a big shock. After all, they marketed the brand as a "Faux" Rolex for those who couldn't afford them. But evidently, they thought better of it and put it on the case, crowns and bracelets instead. This was quite deliberate, they could have branded it strictly as a Tudor instead, and finally did towards the nineties. For all practical purposes, the watches were Rolexes with an ETA movement. For decades they looked not just similar but identical, dials included, save for the Tudor Logo. So, in my book, Tudors were "Authorized" Rolex Replicas. You really can't blame them for wanting a piece of that market! It's only been the last decade that they've become become a distinct brand. The funny thing is that you would have expected Tudors to far outpace Rolex in terms of sales. However, judging by serial numbers, it looks like it was exactly the opposite. It hasn't been until fairly recently that Tudor's volume has really taken off. Some estimate current production at almost half of Rolexes' around 250K pieces a year.

[Edward Pellew]

. . . produced for the Optimists International organization in the late 50s or early 60s.

They were likely made as a special commission for Rolex in the US, and the watches were awarded to past national officers of Optimists International.

I have one, with an inscription to the Optimists President 1958 - 1959, and I have seen two or three others offered over the years.

[offrdmania]

Holy 8 year thread resurrection there boys

[Muz]

Wrong thread