What to do for sale if buyer and seller have no repuation/feedback?

[Phalanx]

Summary: i want to buy a rolex, and i have no feedback and not a member here for long. same for seller he has only 1 feedback as a buyer.

what can we do in this situation. ? is there someone here who is highly trusted who can act as a middleman and receive the watch, and get the payment sent to them. then they send watch to buyer, and send payment to seller. ?

or any other suggestions?

[Chewbacca]

doubt anyone would stick their neck out as a middleman. i believe its also against forum rules of possession of the watch(?)

too many nodes for a smooth deal imop.

if a deal is this complicated beforehand, it rarely ends well.

i'd move on if either of you can't afford to lose the asset or the cash.

[henrylee]

Either gotta trust each other or walk away from the deal.

[beshannon]

What is so special about this watch and seller?

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

doubt anyone would stick their neck out as a middleman. i believe its also against forum rules of possession of the watch(?)

too many nodes for a smooth deal imop.

if a deal is this complicated beforehand, it rarely ends well.

i'd move on if either of you can't afford to lose the asset or the cash.

i'm not sure how a member "would need to stick their neck out". all they are doing is acting as a middle man. theres no risk to them.

i wire middle man money. seller mails him watch. middle man does continuous video on his cell phone of him picking up the watch and right there in the postal office opening the box while continuously recording to prove the watch was in the box or was not.

now middle man sends out watch to buyer and wires seller.

I have to be honest with you guys, I don't like how this forum has this "i dont wanna help you" attitude, imo, it's very poor and shameful. This is a community of people interested in a watch brand, so people should really be willing to help other newbies more.

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by beshannon

What is so special about this watch and seller?

the price point he agreed to i guess and that it is the new style of the datejust meaning, the markers are white patina and not gold anymore. i beleive they made this change in 2012?

[ohjnxg]

when did datejust not use gold markers?


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[Tools]

Originally Posted by Phalanx

. . .I have to be honest with you guys, I don't like how this forum has this "i dont wanna help you" attitude, imo, it's very poor and shameful. This is a community of people interested in a watch brand, so people should really be willing to help other newbies more.

Gotta' give it to you.. trying to shame somebody into accepting all the risk..

If it's a scam, you leave the "middleman" at risk, or accepting that you are not the con-man who may levy "nothing in the box" assertions.

There are escrow companies that will do what you want for a fee, but you would need to get the seller to agree.

TFR is not a sales forum. You need to enter into any transaction with full confidence of who you are dealing with. Most transactions between members go smoothly, however, we get threads weekly about members being scammed; don't be one of those.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Phalanx

i'm not sure how a member "would need to stick their neck out". all they are doing is acting as a middle man. theres no risk to them.

i wire middle man money. seller mails him watch. middle man does continuous video on his cell phone of him picking up the watch and right there in the postal office opening the box while continuously recording to prove the watch was in the box or was not.

now middle man sends out watch to buyer and wires seller.

I have to be honest with you guys, I don't like how this forum has this "i dont wanna help you" attitude, imo, it's very poor and shameful. This is a community of people interested in a watch brand, so people should really be willing to help other newbies more.

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by Phalanx

i'm not sure how a member "would need to stick their neck out". all they are doing is acting as a middle man. theres no risk to them.



i wire middle man money. seller mails him watch. middle man does continuous video on his cell phone of him picking up the watch and right there in the postal office opening the box while continuously recording to prove the watch was in the box or was not.



now middle man sends out watch to buyer and wires seller.



I have to be honest with you guys, I don't like how this forum has this "i dont wanna help you" attitude, imo, it's very poor and shameful. This is a community of people interested in a watch brand, so people should really be willing to help other newbies more.

You really expect some random person who doesn’t know you to be a middle man and take all the risk for you?

Well, that’s a new one.

Their are plenty of extremely trusted sellers here.

Do business with one of them. You will pay a bit more, but there is safety in the transaction.

If the difference is too much and causing you to hesitate, it means you’re not ready to buy.

I doubt you would be willing to take a large financial risk for a complete stranger.

[pilotjim]

Originally Posted by Tools

Gotta' give it to you.. trying to shame somebody into accepting all the risk..

If it's a scam, you leave the "middleman" at risk, or accepting that you are not the con-man who may levy "nothing in the box" assertions.

Exactly

[tbonesteak]

Some grade A shtick, OP.

[tbonesteak]

Originally Posted by pilotjim

Exactly

+ 1, tools nails it with his post.

The forum is helpful in advice, enabling, and general WIS talk... IDK anyone who would take on $10k+ risk for a stranger bc someone signed up for a forum.

[breitlings]

use an escrow service like escrow.com

[RedLs3]

Easy..... FIND ONE THAT DOES in “whos,who”. Prob solved

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by Syed117

You really expect some random person who doesn’t know you to be a middle man and take all the risk for you?

Well, that’s a new one.

Their are plenty of extremely trusted sellers here.

Do business with one of them. You will pay a bit more, but there is safety in the transaction.

If the difference is too much and causing you to hesitate, it means you’re not ready to buy.

I doubt you would be willing to take a large financial risk for a complete stranger.

Heres the thing, and what you guys are confused about. i didn't suggest a "random person" be a middle man. the person i chose (and he has now agreed to it) to middle man this is a person who sold the watch to the person i'm buying from. He's also from the same city as me.

Also I already told you how to defeat the "nothing in the box scammer". You just shoot a continuous video on your cell phone of you lining up at the post office, receiving the box and opening it. Its all on video so if its empty it'll be on video when you open it. I did this with an ebay seller a few years back when the iphone 4 first came out and i won my claim against him.

The ppl here who are typing "rofl" truly make me laugh.

I will just use escrow instead.

[Phalanx]

i will simply use escrow.

i did find someone who was highly trusted and wililng to be middle-man. now the seller is refusing to use him.. hmmmm. i smell something and it's not a fish

[Rebel]

My response:

[cajunron]

Wow.

[MinMay]

I don't blame the seller for not sending his Rolex to someone who he doesn't know either. If he doesn't want to escrow then stay away. Plenty of Rolexes out there...

[pilotjim]

Originally Posted by Rebel

My response:

Lmao!

[socalwatchcollector]

I have heard it all now.... No risk for the middle man? How does one even come to that conclusion? The trusted watch sellers here may do it for a broker fee but they won't be paying up front for the watch and I can assure you of that so if that is what you mean by "no risk" then I find that acceptable. As another member stated.. Why risk it when there are too many Rolex watches to count being sold on here.

Seems like a lot of headache for a Rolex watch you have ask me..

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by socalwatchcollector

I have heard it all now.... No risk for the middle man? How does one even come to that conclusion? The trusted watch sellers here may do it for a broker fee but they won't be paying up front for the watch and I can assure you of that so if that is what you mean by "no risk" then I find that acceptable. As another member stated.. Why risk it when there are too many Rolex watches to count being sold on here.

Seems like a lot of headache for a Rolex watch you have ask me..

what? when did i say they pay for the watch up front? i said i pay.

anyways, the seller is refusing to even use escrow so not gonna go through.

thx

[wesdaniel]

I don't think this idea is that far out there. I've done it before with some other transactions I've made for sports memorabilia I've both bought and sold.

We've found a person we both trust, both sent money and item to the person and, when the person has both the money from the buyer and the item from the seller, they ship it out. No up-front money from the middle man.

There's always been a fee involved because it creates unnecessary work for the escrow individual, but usually less than what a service would cost.

I think the OP has his answer on whether the seller should be trusted - if he's not willing to use a middleman that he knows, then it's not worth risking your money. Good for you for trying to find a solution.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Phalanx

what? when did i say they pay for the watch up front? i said i pay.

anyways, the seller is refusing to even use escrow so not gonna go through.

thx

If you don't trust the seller enough to send him money then find another one.

[HL65]

I would never buy from an unknown seller with 1 reference. In fact I wouldn’t bother with any seller that wasn’t very well known with lots of positive feedback. So for me I don’t gamble with my hard earned money which is why I won’t end up posting a thread like below this one titled “I got scammed”.

[Phalanx]

Originally Posted by wesdaniel

I don't think this idea is that far out there. I've done it before with some other transactions I've made for sports memorabilia I've both bought and sold.

We've found a person we both trust, both sent money and item to the person and, when the person has both the money from the buyer and the item from the seller, they ship it out. No up-front money from the middle man.

There's always been a fee involved because it creates unnecessary work for the escrow individual, but usually less than what a service would cost.

I think the OP has his answer on whether the seller should be trusted - if he's not willing to use a middleman that he knows, then it's not worth risking your money. Good for you for trying to find a solution.

thank you . at least one or two ppl seen my solution as reasonable. everyone else laughed, poked fun at me, trolled me, and swore at me.

with that said, the seller has refused to user the highly trusted middleman (even though he was sold the same watch im buying by this highly trusted member.
second- he refused to use escrow as well

[yannis]

Originally Posted by Phalanx

thank you . at least one or two ppl seen my solution as reasonable. everyone else laughed, poked fun at me, trolled me, and swore at me.

with that said, the seller has refused to user the highly trusted middleman (even though he was sold the same watch im buying by this highly trusted member.
second- he refused to use escrow as well

Walk away man, if you don't feel comfortable that's it. Same goes to the other guy who may not be feeling comfortable with you. You both have no documented reputation...if the s$@# hits the fan someone may end up getting (financially) hurt.