SwissWatchExpo sold me a fake Daytona 116500 for $21,800

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

Glad someone chimed in on this. That watch does not have the easy tell tale signs that a normal fake does. I went though all of the movement pictures, before i saw the above post, thinking damn. that’s a solid Fake. If the movement is bad, which i don’t believe it is, it’s unbelievably good for a fake.

Many people would have been fooled by this one.


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Thanks Shaun
Movement is GENUINE
Everything else fake!
This is a serious ROLEX issue that they are working on!

Sadly many on these forums are still living in the dark ages!

[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

PS
They and NO company that a "WATCHMAKER"
A watchmaker - like George Daniels or Roland Murphy MAKE watches.
These people you put your trust in are repair men and woman - no better or worse than plumbers.
They could NOT make one part of a watch!

what should they do now that they have been caught selling a fake Daytona ? Knowing they have probably sold dozens of 116500s over the past few years ? I think as a business they have a responsibility to let past customers know about this incident and disclose the fact their 7 watchmakers are not skilled enough to spot a fake and they should have Rolex look at them.

When most average people spend 20 something grand from a company like this , they assume they can just put the watxh on and it’s genuine and good to go.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

what should they do now that they have been caught selling a fake Daytona ? Knowing they have probably sold dozens of 116500s over the past few years ? I think as a business they have a responsibility to let past customers know about this incident and disclose the fact their 7 watchmakers are not skilled enough to spot a fake and they should have Rolex look at them.

When most average people spend 20 something grand from a company like this , they assume they can just put the watxh on and it’s genuine and good to go.

GO TELL THEM
Its NOT MY issue!!

I am here to help stop people getting duped!
Stop shooting the messenger
They gave you a refund as so they should - PRAISE them for their ultimate honesty
A

[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

GO TELL THEM
Its NOT MY issue!!

I am here to help stop people getting duped!
Stop shooting the messenger
They gave you a refund as so they should - PRAISE them for their ultimate honesty
A

Trust me I’ve told them. Sorry I wasn’t trying to shoot you and apologize if I came off that way. Wasn’t my intention at all.

I can’t praise them at all. They got caught red handed selling a fake watch, they really had no other option to refund or they would have been sued. They even tried to talk me out of taking it to Rolex saying it was fine. If they had nothing to worry about I would think the correct response would be to tell the customer to absolutely take it to Rolex to confirm it’s legit.

[44x16]

what a nightmare...

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

Trust me I’ve told them. Sorry I wasn’t trying to shoot you and apologize if I came off that way. Wasn’t my intention at all.

I can’t praise them at all. They got caught red handed selling a fake watch, they really had no other option to refund or they would have been sued. They even tried to talk me out of taking it to Rolex saying it was fine. If they had nothing to worry about I would think the correct response would be to tell the customer to absolutely take it to Rolex to confirm it’s legit.

Look
I am not surprised they were duped!
I was duped too, and all the arm chair generals on these forums would get duped.
Most check the movement as the final "bastion" of authenticity - sadly NOT any more!
Rolex know of this, and I learned, updated my course and now teach how tp check this issue out

Thats all I can add

[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Look
I am not surprised they were duped!
I was duped too, and all the arm chair generals on these forums would get duped.
Most check the movement as the final "bastion" of authenticity - sadly NOT any more!
Rolex know of this, and I learned, updated my course and now teach how tp check this issue out

Thats all I can add

Cool. Thanks for your insight , much appreciated.

The reason I posted was to tell people not to buy from an absolute garbage company like Swisswatchexpo ( which is exactly what they are ). And if you did unfortunately buy from them like me , get your shit checked out.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

Cool. Thanks for your insight , much appreciated.

The reason I posted was to tell people not to buy from an absolute garbage company like Swisswatchexpo ( which is exactly what they are ). And if you did unfortunately buy from them like me , get your shit checked out.

I am delighted you posted.
To all the doubters - fake Rolex exist with genuine movements, I know it, Rolex knows it (and I have that in writing- NO I won’t post it here)’
And many brokers know it now too

[MP5]

Where are they getting real Daytona movements that this is so prevalent? They have to be either slipping out or Rolex through the back door- Knowing them, unlikely or the Replica manufactures have invested heavily in Rolex movements. Here is DETAILED Vid of real and fake Sub and Dayton movements, not mine but compliments to the maker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAJE_XhT2Y

[offrdmania]

That T1G serial on the bracelet clasp is a known fake serial

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by MP5

Where are they getting real Daytona movements that this is so prevalent? They have to be either slipping out or Rolex through the back door- Knowing them, unlikely or the Replica manufactures have invested heavily in Rolex movements. Here is DETAILED Vid of real and fake Sub and Dayton movements, not mine but compliments to the maker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAJE_XhT2Y

YAWN.
BORING. Been posted here many times.
Great video, but it’s nothing to do with genuine movements.
There are no Asian or replica movements even close to a Genuine Rolex movement that a blind man could not spot.

There are no , not even close genuine clone movements in functionality

[Chewbacca]

Too much money being made on these watches these days. And there seems to be more in circulation than were made. Just like sports memorabilia, assume fake first unless it’s from the source or a very very reputable seller.

[MP5]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

YAWN.
BORING. Been posted here many times.
Great video, but it’s nothing to do with genuine movements.
There are no Asian or replica movements even close to a Genuine Rolex movement that a blind man could not spot.

There are no , not even close genuine clone movements in functionality

So you are saying the movements in the vids dont look super close? Should I not trust my lying eyes? What is your theory of a significant amount of genuine Rolex movements in all these Fake cases?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by MP5

So you are saying the movements in the vids dont look super close? Should I not trust my lying eyes? What is your theory of a significant amount of genuine Rolex movements in all these Fake cases?

There are NO fake Asian (or any other country) movements that are even close to a Rolex!
I got no idea, to the full extent of these "ZOMBIE" fakes (Rolex's term) - I once claimed a flood of them to be shot down!
I have reported about 10 and know of more!

They are out there and only ROLEX knows to what extent!

[MP5]

Im not questioning your expertise or being antagonistic to you, Im questioning my own. Do you not think those movements in that video are too close for comfort or in your experience you can tell them to be miles apart? Genuinely want to know

[Rolextellstime]

I think what I learn from this is after every private purchase take the watch to Rolex, just to have extra piece of mind. The fakes are getting better and better my the week. Crazy...

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[henrylee]

Wow this is crazy!

[Al1969]

OP, glad you got your money back.
I wonder how many are running around with fakes and are completely unaware.

Thanks for giving everyone a ‘heads up’ on this seller.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Look

I am not surprised they were duped!

I was duped too, and all the arm chair generals on these forums would get duped.

Most check the movement as the final "bastion" of authenticity - sadly NOT any more!

Rolex know of this, and I learned, updated my course and now teach how tp check this issue out



Thats all I can add

Nope, they should be better than that.

BUT—good on them for refunding. That was certainly their only option.


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[Mr Perfect]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

There are NO fake Asian (or any other country) movements that are even close to a Rolex!

Wrong.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

There are NO fake Asian (or any other country) movements that are even close to a Rolex!
I got no idea, to the full extent of these "ZOMBIE" fakes (Rolex's term) - I once claimed a flood of them to be shot down!
I have reported about 10 and know of more!

They are out there and only ROLEX knows to what extent!

Again, please help me understand how there could be so many authentic movements with all the rest of the watch fake.
Generally, one would think it would be the other way around.

In the automobile world, it makes sense to see “zombies”, where they take a legitimate VIN from a totaled vehicle and then use it in a stolen auto, to pass it off as a repaired one. In that case, there are ample “zombie” wrecked cars and ample cars to be stolen that match that VIN make, model and color.

In this case, there would have to be a flow of source of authentic movements. If theoretically they would have to come from Rolex, how could that be from a company that controls parts so well? There could not possibly be “zombie” trashed cases that offer a similar outcome to that of the auto analogy.

The only possible explanation, for a scenario where they go to such extent to copy the rest of the watch is that they have managed to copy the movement as well.

[DoDe]

On the basis of what, among others, Adam and Shaun says, is it fair to conclude that AD is the only safe place to buy a Rolex. That reputable greys and TS could only be trusted to not intentionally sell a fake watch?

[edweather]

Some of the greys do buy new watches from ADs an resell them.

[Etschell]

Entire watch including movement appears to be fake.

OP if you need more info PM me

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Entire watch including movement appears to be fake.

OP if you need more info PM me

I agree.. I'd like to see what a true professional would say: Crowncollection, Springer, Freefly, or antrolexsub.

[crazymcmichael]

Woooow this stuff get terrible scarry that card looks 100 procent genuine aswell as the watch ...

[Masteryacht]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Entire watch including movement appears to be fake.

OP if you need more info PM me

I agree with you. I’m not saying it’s not a very good fake, but the whole dang thing looks fake to me. Just my opinion.

[forcinitijp]

the problem is that since the Chinese are making the 1: 1 boxes and the 1: 1 movements with the possibility of exchanging all their pieces for genuine ... many pirates are doing it ... from a daytona they take two or three, one with a false box and real movement, another with all real and false movement ... another with a false movement with genuine pieces ... it would be good if many of us here visit the replica forums ... I think we would learn a lot more of the fakes than what all of us can teach them in this forum .... they do it in detail and discuss it among a lot of members with solid knowledge about rolexes and other brands ... for example. panerai .... cartier ... watches that are more difficult than a rolex to identify.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thanks Shaun
Movement is GENUINE
Everything else fake!
This is a serious ROLEX issue that they are working on!

Sadly many on these forums are still living in the dark ages!

Movement is fake.

Without violating forum rules: There is a website that sells a perfect fake movement for this watch that looks just like this.

Nobody assembled all these fake parts and installed a genuine movement. The whole thing is fake.

Dang it Adam. You are wrong telling people no one is producing high quality fake movements. These super fakes are in the market. People are spending hard earned money based on your advice. Quit giving bad advice.

[goldfixer21]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

YAWN.
BORING. Been posted here many times.
Great video, but it’s nothing to do with genuine movements.
There are no Asian or replica movements even close to a Genuine Rolex movement that a blind man could not spot.

There are no , not even close genuine clone movements in functionality

Is your shoulder sore from patting yourself on the back?