Please be careful and on the lookout I just got scammed

[77T]

Originally Posted by Pyclah

I posted in Rolex group in Facebook, he reached out with pics of Sub to trade. Gave me the guys name who originally sold the sub to the guy he got it from. Turns out he scammed the Sub from a young guy who I just spoke to he is fuming, also waiting o. A watch in return thats never coming.

Thank you for that detail - I presume that you posted a “want to buy/trade” for a Sub in that FB group.

If I appear dense, please accept my apology. Just trying to unravel for better understanding. I am not judging - I empathize with your loss - it’s like a robbery/burglary. I know firsthand how bad that feels.

The chain of prior ownership appears to be:
Person1 >>> Person2 (young guy) >>> Person3 (scammer Mario Wo).

What did either Person1 or Person2 tell you about the watch’s authenticity and/or Mario Wo’s integrity before you did the deal?




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[VintageVagabound]

Originally Posted by faimag

Paypal always gets their money. With "normal" transfer, say for buying a watch, the buyer (sender) typically pays the fee, even if that fee is deducted at the end from the seller's account. That's why some sellers have an asking price for cash or direct wire, and then say "I also accept PP plus fees" which means you will pay a bit more via this option.

With FF transfer, the seller (receiver) pays the fee. As mentioned, this service is not linked to any goods or services, meaning you acknowledge that you are not getting anything in return for the money you are sending. Therefore, you do not have Paypal's buyer protection with FF.

BUT FF is not particularly safe for honest sellers either: If you have a CC connected to your PP and pay through that, even via FF, you can then reach out to your bank (not paypal) and ask for a charge-back because of fraudulent transaction!

So, neither the buyer nor the seller are particularly protected with FF, if one of them is an @sshole! Bottom line, guys: there is a reason this service is called "Friends and Family". (~ "I know you and I trust you")

To the OP, I am sorry about your troubles. Hope you can rectify some of your loss.

I don’t understand when you say in “friends and family the seller pays the fee”. There is no fee. If I send $100 via friends and family to my friend and or family, they get $100. There is no protection of course and these instances reiterate the need for full PayPal protection.

To the OP- even if this trade came to fruition, both parties would have to pay Customs duties on top of the trade value/cash. Did you undervalue the watch that you sent? That may hurt any cooperation from the German government.

[-dustin]

i can throw the pictures onto my flickr and post them here, if you'd like.

[Pyclah]

Originally Posted by -dustin

i can throw the pictures onto my flickr and post them here, if you'd like.

That would be greatany help would do

[Pyclah]

He is on ebay as Mar1305, I have email those who he has purchased from hope they give his info

[Pyclah]

He is on ebay as Ma1305, I have email those who he has purchased from hope they give his info

[-dustin]

[-dustin]

[CorradoBrit]

Sorry to read about this debacle. Facebook is to be avoided, just like Chronocentric. Chris Essery @HorologyHouse was pulling his scams on the FB platform too.

[CorradoBrit]

So OP what exactly did you receive? I know both sides filmed the shipping process to confirm everything was above board, but how did the tracking info unfold? Did he 'actually' ship something? Were there updates for the tracking?

[Pyclah]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

So OP what exactly did you receive? I know both sides filmed the shipping process to confirm everything was above board, but how did the tracking info unfold? Did he 'actually' ship something? Were there updates for the tracking?

I got nothing, just says in transit. Been that way for a week. The guy be scammed for the 2018 sub you see in the pictures is also waiting for a package for 3 weeks now

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by -dustin

Just to clarify.
Is this the scammer on ebay with same watch.
If we have evidence that this is same "scammer" then I can report it and possible get him removed.

Sorry if I missed the plot
Adam

[Chewbacca]

[Rick Deckard]

Russ, so let me understand, you see the package as "in transit"?

For how many days now?

[77T]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Just to clarify.

Is this the scammer on ebay with same watch.

If we have evidence that this is same "scammer" then I can report it and possible get him removed.



Sorry if I missed the plot

Adam

I believe those are the photo’s and screenshots from the FB deal that is at the core of the scam being reported here. Not from eBay.


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[kwcsports]

Sorry to hear it.

[toptier]

Hoping you could get back your Exp1 at least. Consider that Paypal FF gone, though.

[swaini3]

Hi,
Sorry to hear. I would get on every watch forum and post about your stolen watch. You can even try these:

http://www.mystolenwatch.com/home-en/
https://www.thewatchregister.com/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/412402232515298/

[Pyclah]

Originally Posted by Rick Deckard

Russ, so let me understand, you see the package as "in transit"?

For how many days now?

Its been showing frankfurt since saturday. It says it been transfered to usps. The other gent has been waiting for 3 weeks for the gmt this pos was supposed to send him for that sub in the photos.

[Pyclah]

Originally Posted by toptier

Hoping you could get back your Exp1 at least. Consider that Paypal FF gone, though.

I doubt it but that would be amazing

[Pyclah]

Time to start saving again for my grail bluesy

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Pyclah

Its been showing frankfurt since saturday. It says it been transfered to usps. The other gent has been waiting for 3 weeks for the gmt this pos was supposed to send him for that sub in the photos.

I think you can contact who you sent the watch through and get it sent back to you, since it is still in transit. If you have already discussed this please excuse me.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I think you can contact who you sent the watch through and get it sent back to you, since it is still in transit. If you have already discussed this please excuse me.

The shipping status the OP has been referencing is the purported Sub that the scammer supposedly shipped to him.

The OP’s Explorer has apparently arrived at the scammers address.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by Pyclah

Time to start saving again for my grail bluesy

Please let us know who the shipping carrier is (FEDEX, UPS, DHL etc) - the one that is handling the package that the scammer said he shipped to you.


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[Pyclah]

Originally Posted by 77T

Please let us know who the shipping carrier is (FEDEX, UPS, DHL etc) - the one that is handling the package that the scammer said he shipped to you.


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He sent it DHL then switches to usps supposedly. It currently shows that it went through checkpoint in frankfurt and transferred to usps. Usps shows handled in frankfurt may 23rd 3am.

This is the same situation the other gent is in who sent him the submariner he proposed and was to send.

He must be of middle eastern descent he links himself to 3 arabic restaurants all withing the same block area. His paypal went to urban grill gmbH, the place the other gent sent his rolex was called Papai a middleastern restaurant, and the phone number he shared is registered to Hoqqa restaurant. All in bremen along the same street.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by 77T

The shipping status the OP has been referencing is the purported Sub that the scammer supposedly shipped to him.

The OP’s Explorer has apparently arrived at the scammers address.


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Ah, got it. Thanks

[77T]

Originally Posted by Pyclah

He sent it DHL then switches to usps supposedly. It currently shows that it went through checkpoint in frankfurt and transferred to usps. Usps shows handled in frankfurt may 23rd 3am.



This is the same situation the other gent is in who sent him the submariner he proposed and was to send.



He must be of middle eastern descent he links himself to 3 arabic restaurants all withing the same block area. His paypal went to urban grill gmbH, the place the other gent sent his rolex was called Papai a middleastern restaurant, and the phone number he shared is registered to Hoqqa restaurant. All in bremen along the same street.

Thanks - but do you mean Deutsche Post? There is no usps in Germany. There is a DHL service that hands off to US Postal once a package arrives in US and after Customs clearance here.

But if it is still in Germany, then it is likely stuck in their own Customs*. This way he could fetch it back by now.

* Per German export:
To go out of the EU, Customs clearance is necessary. The Customs clearance office checks the export declaration, controls the goods and authorizes the collection of the goods by the carrier. The goods are held for a period of 20 days maximum.

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[Where]

Apologies Pyclah for hijacking your thread. I've deleted my post and will make a new thread. Having been scammed previously I know how devastated and frustrated it makes you feel. I hope you manage to find a resolution to this and I hope the local authorities help you. Best of luck!

[77T]

I’d start your own thread on that problem. It is different issue.

To be fair to OP, I’d suggest solving 1 problem at a time.


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[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by Where

Sorry to hijack the thread, but is the above possible in the US as well? I bought a watch and the USPS tracking number shows that it has been awaiting international departure from the Jamaica distribution centre for the last two months. I thought the delay may be caused by the Covid-19 situation, but I have my suspicions that I have been scammed. Is it possible for the sender to call USPS and retrieve the parcel and the tracking number doesn't reflect this change?

Shipments to Australia are taking forever. Sent a package March 17th and still hasn't arrived.