Openwork 15305 vs 15407 (please help)

[patek2301]

Hi Gents,

Keeping this simple.

If you were given a choice between the above which one will you choose? Assuming you can get the 15305 at about 15% cheaper than the 15407

As I understand the major difference between the two is the size (15305 being the 39mm vs 41mm of the 15407) and the gold color accents in some of the parts of the 15407.

Appreciate your Input!


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[GB-man]

15305 because I have a 7” wrist. If my wrist was 7.5+ I’d probably lean 15407.

Honestly I’d be elated to have either. Also nice that it’s still possible to get a 15407 at retail...hypothetically.

[Gravity]

41mm all the way but as with most asthetics, it’s persona preference.

[patek2301]

Thanks guys.

Of course it’s not retail price haha. One of my biggest regrets is not buying my previous watches from AD.

Keep the comments coming!


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[patek2301]

Originally Posted by Gravity

41mm all the way but as with most asthetics, it’s persona preference.

Why is the aesthetics so different


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[OP15]

I’d say base it on your wrist size. I loved the 15305 when it came out, but knew I couldn’t wear the 39mm. Both are beautiful watches and you’d be lucky to wear either. Good luck!

[Helmi]

Both beautiful watches, I would imagine the 305 would wear better on wrists of 6.5" and below. But honestly I would go the 407 route without hesitation if the wrist size is above 6.5". To me the gold bridge of the double balance wheel is not just an accent but it rather transformed the looks of the whole watch and made it absolutely pleasing. Specially the steel models where silver color is dominant, having that golden bridge made it much better looking to my eyes. The 305 in comparison looks very pale and mono-toned as if it was shot by a black/white filter camera. If the gold version is what you are after then it doesn't matter much but I still prefer the 407 .

My wrist is 7" and here is a photo of my roc which is 41 mm and wears very similar to the 407 and I think the size is absolutely fine.

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by patek2301

Why is the aesthetics so different

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Aesthetically in size

[holg]

I would go with the 15407, i saw it on a friend and it was very impressive. I think you should go with what you feel comfortable with.

[Ichiran]

I'm 6.5" and the 15305 would be my pick.

[HL65]

15305st for me.

[benlee]

I want both! As I already got a 15305OR, so 15407ST is the target. End of the day, down to personal preference.

[ragsk]

Originally Posted by GB-man

15305 because I have a 7” wrist. If my wrist was 7.5+ I’d probably lean 15407.

Honestly I’d be elated to have either. Also nice that it’s still possible to get a 15407 at retail...hypothetically.

I know its your preference but to me that does sound a touch conservative in terms of sizing.

I have a 7.25 to 7.5+ inch wrist depending on the time of day and weather and I would only go for the 41mm or above.

I also have 44mm ROO - am I being too OTT for my wrist size? This is a really interesting topic so its a genuine question.

[SC11]

For me it had to be the 15407ST over the OR and both 15305’s all day every day!

The Cal 3132 sits better in the 41mm case as the Cal 3129 in the 15305 looks more cut into by the minute marker ring, plus the double balance wheels and contrasting bridge gives it a little extra look and dynamic to the piece.
The gold hands on the 15407 do stand out more against the rhodium movemnt which is another plus, and latestly I find the bezel look a little to wide on the 39mm cases.

But it wears big for a 41mm watch so for any of the above to matter you need to be able to pull off that size, if not then the only option is the 39mm.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by ragsk

I know its your preference but to me that does sound a touch conservative in terms of sizing.



I have a 7.25 to 7.5+ inch wrist depending on the time of day and weather and I would only go for the 41mm or above.



I also have 44mm ROO - am I being too OTT for my wrist size? This is a really interesting topic so its a genuine question.

The ROO is meant to wear big and the nature of the design with the strap you can get away for a little overhang, where as on the RO even at 3mm less of if overhangs it looks wrong!



On a plus though your wrist size should work with the 41mm

This thread needs pics




No 15305 pics but a 39mm for reference

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by ragsk

I know its your preference but to me that does sound a touch conservative in terms of sizing.

I have a 7.25 to 7.5+ inch wrist depending on the time of day and weather and I would only go for the 41mm or above.

I also have 44mm ROO - am I being too OTT for my wrist size? This is a really interesting topic so its a genuine question.

You’re right I can easily pull off the 41mm ROs as well but I honestly think any smaller than 7” wrist is pushing it for how the 41 RO wears.

That said I also wear the 44s it is the absolute max for my wrist size imho but they are just so damn cool and easy to wear. I value comfort and the 44s are extremely comfortable. I’m also 6’3 with the figure of a small bear so makes it easier to not look out of place.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You’re right I can easily pull off the 41mm ROs as well but I honestly think any smaller than 7” wrist is pushing it for how the 41 RO wears.



That said I also wear the 44s it is the absolute max for my wrist size imho but they are just so damn cool and easy to wear. I value comfort and the 44s are extremely comfortable. I’m also 6’3 with the figure of a small bear so makes it easier to not look out of place.

Knew it was you....

[ragsk]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You’re right I can easily pull off the 41mm ROs as well but I honestly think any smaller than 7” wrist is pushing it for how the 41 RO wears.

That said I also wear the 44s it is the absolute max for my wrist size imho but they are just so damn cool and easy to wear. I value comfort and the 44s are extremely comfortable. I’m also 6’3 with the figure of a small bear so makes it easier to not look out of place.

Makes sense. If you are a big man then that also is very relevant!

[patek2301]

Originally Posted by SC11

For me it had to be the 15407ST over the OR and both 15305’s all day every day!



The Cal 3132 sits better in the 41mm case as the Cal 3129 in the 15305 looks more cut into by the minute marker ring, plus the double balance wheels and contrasting bridge gives it a little extra look and dynamic to the piece.

The gold hands on the 15407 do stand out more against the rhodium movemnt which is another plus, and latestly I find the bezel look a little to wide on the 39mm cases.



But it wears big for a 41mm watch so for any of the above to matter you need to be able to pull off that size, if not then the only option is the 39mm.

Now that you mention it, yes the bezel on the 15305 does look wide!


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[patek2301]

Originally Posted by SC11

The ROO is meant to wear big and the nature of the design with the strap you can get away for a little overhang, where as on the RO even at 3mm less of if overhangs it looks wrong!



On a plus though your wrist size should work with the 41mm

This thread needs pics




No 15305 pics but a 39mm for reference

My goodness 15407 looks real good for your wrist size


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[Superburrito]

I bet the 15407 has far better resale value and desirability for flipping, if that makes any difference to you.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by patek2301

My goodness 15407 looks real good for your wrist size


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Thank you

Hence why I keep saying the 39mm Vs 41mm debate really needs to start with what suits the individual wrist size before talking aesthetics of each.

Luckily I prefer the look of the 407 and my wrist size could carry it off so a double win for me.

[patek2301]

It’s coming guys....


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[SC11]

Originally Posted by patek2301

It’s coming guys....


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Hope you made the right choice

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by Superburrito

I bet the 15407 has far better resale value and desirability for flipping, if that makes any difference to you.

Currently the 15305 is around $10k less on the secondary. With your the average waiting list for the 15407 ST anywhere from 50-100 names deep, I don't see demand slowing down anytime soon.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Gravity

Currently the 15305 is around $10k less on the secondary. With your the average waiting list for the 15407 ST anywhere from 50-100 names deep, I don't see demand slowing down anytime soon.

its not that bad when you think about it. 50 names and what 50 boutiques world wide (just a guess) and i dont know if the 3rd party boutiques even get them. There is only 2500 people in the world waiting for that watch.

it could be worse

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

its not that bad when you think about it. 50 names and what 50 boutiques world wide (just a guess) and i dont know if the 3rd party boutiques even get them. There is only 2500 people in the world waiting for that watch.

it could be worse

And with each getting 2-6 STs a year that's still an 8-10 year wait, not counting all those who don't even make the list aka not "preferred customers" ;)

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Gravity

And with each getting 2-6 STs a year that's still an 8-10 year wait, not counting all those who don't even make the list aka not "preferred customers" ;)

im not saying there isnt a wait, just saying everyone isn't after one either. Id happily take one but a watch that awesome should have way bigger lists than that. Maybe people just gave up, who knows.

[SC11]

And supply is lessening, well of the two 15407 variants that is as the movement now also needs to go into two other 37mm models.

[OP15]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

im not saying there isnt a wait, just saying everyone isn't after one either. Id happily take one but a watch that awesome should have way bigger lists than that. Maybe people just gave up, who knows.

The numbers are a little deceiving, as well. Even 18 months ago, certain boutiques were not even willing to add names to their list.