Daylight Savings Time Discussion

[JohnBaker3]

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national...550145631.html

As a watch collector, its a real pain in the a$$ to reset all my quartz watches twice a year...

Makes sense to me!

[RobearH]

If it’s good for Arizona and Hawaii it should be same for all IMO.

[Blansky]

.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by RobearH

If it’s good for Arizona and Hawaii it should be same for all IMO.

Arizona and Hawaii are still on standard time.

This article is about adopting daylight saving time year round, which is something that I do not support.

I prefer standard time and I always have and I always will.

I do agree to drop the switch, but do it by ditching DST.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national...550145631.html

As a watch collector, its a real pain in the a$$ to reset all my quartz watches twice a year...

Makes sense to me!

"In the days after our chronically sleep-deprived country “springs forward,” costing us an hour of rest, disoriented Americans face a slightly greater risk of heart attack and stroke. There are more car crashes. Workplace accidents increase, too."


Seriously, car crashes and heart attacks. Go to bed an hour early you morons.

I don't like being bothered with the time changes but if people are dying and crashing their cars maybe there's a bigger issue here.

[texasmade]

I don’t care one way or another whether we adopt DST all year round or stay on standard time. I just want to stick with one time and not have to move my watches and clocks twice a year. Just pick one and move forward.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Arizona and Hawaii are still on standard time.

This article is about adopting daylight saving time year round, which is something that I do not support.

I prefer standard time and I always have and I always will.

I do agree to drop the switch, but do it by ditching DST.

I think I actually prefer DST due to the longer hours of daylight in the evening but could live with either one. I grew up in Canada and in the summer it was light until 10:30 PM but in California its getting dark at 8:30 ish.

Hawaii is close to the equator and it's daylight is roughly 7 AM to 7 PM if I remember correctly, so they run on about 12 hours light and 12 dark.

New Mexico is probably close to the same as California.

Why do you prefer standard time instead of the DST. Just wondering?

[TheDude]

Florida voted to abolish it but Congress has to approve it...


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl...030-story.html



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[77T]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I do agree to drop the switch, but do it by ditching DST.

I think over time your opinion will win out. Year round DST would lead to more heat strokes as climate change affects all aspects of life.

Global Warming will be the motive to get home in the dark (when it’s slightly cooler) to play outdoors.

Data suggests twice a year time shifts are more dangerous and troublesome than the benefits of...well what benefits?

Most of the alleged benefits have been debunked.

During the last time US debated and passed DST, both senators from Idaho voted for it based on the premise that fast-food restaurants sell more French fries during DST, which are made from Idaho potatoes.

Other crazy claims continue to this day.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Blansky

I think I actually prefer DST due to the longer hours of daylight in the evening but could live with either one. I grew up in Canada and in the summer it was light until 10:30 PM but in California its getting dark at 8:30 ish.

Hawaii is close to the equator and it's daylight is roughly 7 AM to 7 PM if I remember correctly, so they run on about 12 hours light and 12 dark.

New Mexico is probably close to the same as California.

Why do you prefer standard time instead of the DST. Just wondering?

Standard time allows for one more hour to cool down before bedtime.

Most of my childhood was spent using standard time only, so it's what seems most natural to me.

The biggest thing I dislike about the "switch" though is driving in rush hour in the daylight one day and driving in the dark the next.

I'm retired now, so that doesn't bother me now, but it used to take me a week or so to adjust.


Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[77T]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Florida voted to abolish it but Congress has to approve it...

A close reading of Rubio’s bill states Florida will not abolish DST; instead Florida wants to go on permanent DST and drag the entire US into the change.

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/...ct-of-2019.pdf



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Brew]

A semi-annual reminder that time is a fiction, made and measured only by humans.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by 77T

A close reading of Rubio’s bill states Florida will not abolish DST; instead Florida wants to go on permanent DST and drag the entire US into the change.

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/...ct-of-2019.pdf



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Well hopefully we can agree to abolish a time change, but as with most things here, if one side wants DST and the other doesn't, then guess what?

We'll get neither and stay with the stupid system we have now.

I think Europe wants permanent DST but not sure on that.

If I remember correctly when the DST time change originally happened, in Canada anyways, it was sold as more time in the evening to spend outdoors with family during the warmer summer months.


Some DST history: https://www.history.com/news/8-thing...ht-saving-time

[Sperry]

Standard time. Visiting AZ now, drove out in the car which not only remains on Standard Time (Mountain Time without the DST, which we call "AZ Time"), but I leave the car on AZ Time. It is either than or wear two watches.

[ㅇㅅㅇ]

The entire concept was just stupid from the beginning, if people were so bothered by wasting daylight hours in the early morning they should have self-adjusted their schedules accordingly. Go to work at from 0800-1600 instead of 0900-1700. Madness.

[GB-man]

Stupid antiquated tradition that should end. Causes more heart attacks than anything I’m told. Maybe bs Idk lol

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by 77T

A close reading of Rubio’s bill states Florida will not abolish DST; instead Florida wants to go on permanent DST and drag the entire US into the change.

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/...ct-of-2019.pdf



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Poor choice of words on my part - I’m aware that he wants permanent DST which is what we’ve been talking about here.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[brandrea]

I wish we’d use DST all year round.

I hate driving home at 5 pm in the dark at winter time.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I wish we’d use DST all year round.

I hate driving home at 5 pm in the dark at winter time.

Same here. Early nightfall is the absolute worst part of winter in my opinion. And that says a lot given where we are located

[enjoythemusic]

Was in Alaska about a month or so ago... the sun NEVER set :)

Here's a pic... 9:30pm in Alaska.

[Cru Jones]

More light in the morning in winter when it’s needed (kids to school).

But, more light later in the day in the summer when there’s enough in the morning.

I like the switch and don’t understand the complaints.... it’s not hard to adjust.

[Andad]

We like daylight saving in Oz.

Our curtains don’t fade so much.

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

More light in the morning in winter when it’s needed (kids to school)...

That was my understanding as well.
As much as I prefer daylight later in the day, we as a community agree that it's safer that the children attend school (walk, wait for busses) in daylight.

[Abdullah71601]

Nothing is saved by DST. The earth’s orbit around the sun is static as is the rotation of the earth. Length of day is unaltered by DST. You dont get a longer day or more daylight with DST. And, depending on where you are in the time zone, DST can make your day worse.

It’s an archaic concept with no place in a 24/7 world. But we will be stuck with it because people think that changing the time displayed on a clock makes the day longer.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Nothing is saved by DST. The earth’s orbit around the sun is static as is the rotation of the earth. Length of day is unaltered by DST. You dont get a longer day or more daylight with DST. And, depending on where you are in the time zone, DST can make your day worse.

It’s an archaic concept with no place in a 24/7 world. But we will be stuck with it because people think that changing the time displayed on a clock makes the day longer.

days are the same length but daylight when you are awake does make a difference. It makes better use of daylight, especially so in areas that have less of it.

I would rather have my kids with an extra hour of daylight to play outside in the spring vs the sun being out earlier in the morning when they are at school.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

days are the same length but daylight when you are awake does make a difference. It makes better use of daylight, especially so in areas that have less of it.

I would rather have my kids with an extra hour of daylight to play outside in the spring vs the sun being out earlier in the morning when they are at school.

Way back in the last century (1974-1975) there was a period of time when DST was federally mandated for about a year and a half because of the energy crisis.

It did not go well.

It was 1974, and the energy crisis was cutting into the American way of life, with odd-even gas rationing, a national speed limit and shortened Nascar races. The Emergency Daylight Saving Time Act signed by President Nixon dictated that clocks would spring forward one hour on Jan. 6 — and stay that way for almost 16 months, until April 27, 1975.

By fall, the dark mornings were apparently wearing on the American people. Proclaiming “it’s for the children” — those scholars standing at bus stops in the predawn — lawmakers threw in the towel of gloom. Year-round DST was scrapped, and on Oct. 27, clocks fell back.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/...-went-too-far/

Richard Nixon infamously mandated year-round daylight saving in 1974 and 1975. This decision did not soften the blow of the OPEC oil embargo, but it did put school children on pitch-black streets every morning until the plan was scaled back. A Department of Transportation study concluded that Nixon's experiment yielded no definitive fuel saving. It optimistically speculated, however, that daylight saving might one day help us conserve as many as 100,000 barrels of oil a day. Based on that projection and the hope of reducing street crime, in 1986 and again this year Congress extended daylight saving by a month. But there has been no corresponding reduction in oil consumption or crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/09/o...ss-summer.html

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Way back in the last century (1974-1975) there was a period of time when DST was federally mandated for about a year and a half because of the energy crisis.

It did not go well.

It was 1974, and the energy crisis was cutting into the American way of life, with odd-even gas rationing, a national speed limit and shortened Nascar races. The Emergency Daylight Saving Time Act signed by President Nixon dictated that clocks would spring forward one hour on Jan. 6 — and stay that way for almost 16 months, until April 27, 1975.

By fall, the dark mornings were apparently wearing on the American people. Proclaiming “it’s for the children” — those scholars standing at bus stops in the predawn — lawmakers threw in the towel of gloom. Year-round DST was scrapped, and on Oct. 27, clocks fell back.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/...-went-too-far/

Richard Nixon infamously mandated year-round daylight saving in 1974 and 1975. This decision did not soften the blow of the OPEC oil embargo, but it did put school children on pitch-black streets every morning until the plan was scaled back. A Department of Transportation study concluded that Nixon's experiment yielded no definitive fuel saving. It optimistically speculated, however, that daylight saving might one day help us conserve as many as 100,000 barrels of oil a day. Based on that projection and the hope of reducing street crime, in 1986 and again this year Congress extended daylight saving by a month. But there has been no corresponding reduction in oil consumption or crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/09/o...ss-summer.html

i like the regular time in the winter, then its light earlier. So i like standard time and DST. I dont think we should go to DST all the time or none of the time

to me it just makes sense to adjust your clocks to match the days as there is significantly more hours of sunlight in the summer than the winter

[TheDude]

Everything that uses a central time source displays time as an offset from UTC already. If we ever see a day when all devices source time from an external source, time could be adjusted in very small increments (daily for example) to mimic the solar calendar. If you’re going to follow the sun, why just change twice a year? We don’t even do it evenly - ~4 months standard and ~8 months daylight...

30 seconds a day during a 4 month window and 15 seconds a day during the 8 month window nets you an hour. Heck, most watches drift as much daily anyway...

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i like the regular time in the winter, then its light earlier. So i like standard time and DST. I dont think we should go to DST all the time or none of the time

to me it just makes sense to adjust your clocks to match the days as there is significantly more hours of sunlight in the summer than the winter

And hence, no reason to change your clock.

The daylight is greater than 12 hours in the summer. Sliding the time an hour doesnt accomplish anything during the customary work/school day.

[Boothroyd]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Way back in the last century (1974-1975) there was a period of time when DST was federally mandated for about a year and a half because of the energy crisis.

It did not go well.

It was 1974, and the energy crisis was cutting into the American way of life, with odd-even gas rationing, a national speed limit and shortened Nascar races. The Emergency Daylight Saving Time Act signed by President Nixon dictated that clocks would spring forward one hour on Jan. 6 — and stay that way for almost 16 months, until April 27, 1975.

By fall, the dark mornings were apparently wearing on the American people. Proclaiming “it’s for the children” — those scholars standing at bus stops in the predawn — lawmakers threw in the towel of gloom. Year-round DST was scrapped, and on Oct. 27, clocks fell back.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/...-went-too-far/

Richard Nixon infamously mandated year-round daylight saving in 1974 and 1975. This decision did not soften the blow of the OPEC oil embargo, but it did put school children on pitch-black streets every morning until the plan was scaled back. A Department of Transportation study concluded that Nixon's experiment yielded no definitive fuel saving. It optimistically speculated, however, that daylight saving might one day help us conserve as many as 100,000 barrels of oil a day. Based on that projection and the hope of reducing street crime, in 1986 and again this year Congress extended daylight saving by a month. But there has been no corresponding reduction in oil consumption or crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/09/o...ss-summer.html

I remember that well, Grady, and the outrage at having kids on the street waiting for buses and not visible in the morning when going to school.