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10 December 2020, 02:07 AM | #31 |
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Rolex has all their archives, if they wanted they could create a service that lets people know their watches manufacture date, serial number of original movement, dial configuration, what dealer it was shipped too, etc. Just more profitable keeping it a secret and charging $10,000 to service important watches
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10 December 2020, 02:11 AM | #32 |
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I think there are lots of fake Tiffany scripts added to these dials. I would never buy one at a premium. I think it’s naive to think shady deals would not switch dials when they have a chance to make a buck. I think that those on here that ignore these issues own one of these watches, and this impacts your position. The position one takes is often driven by where one sits.
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Like you said “the position is often driven by where one sits.” You seem to have a pretty definite opinion on the matter, but discrediting these watches entirely when surely some without papers are authentic seems naive as well. While I agree that 99% of these that show up are likely fake, I wouldn’t rule out one with a recent service history from Rolex themselves. If it wasn’t authorized by them, why would they let it out, and if they were unsure why wouldn’t they err on the side of caution. |
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I hesitate to weigh in on this conversation. I have a Tiffany stamp dial that is authentic as I have no reason to doubt my father who purchased it new from Tiffany in the early 70's. Still alive BTW, so I may ask him to place teh request as he is the original owner but we have same name. That said, no papers. I don't plan on selling it, for sentimental reasons, but I have looked into these avenues as well. @Harry_in_Montreal brings up the pertinent points to authenticity. BTW, I had it authenticated early this year at Rolex. What the other guy failed to mention about this service at Rolex is that they do not make any mention of the Tiffany stamp on the dial in the estimate papers. I asked them why this was, and they said they don't describe the dial. It will go to Rolex for servicing at the beginning of next year as they have already provided an estimate for service (that was what the authentication was for. only.). They will not replace the dial or hands but require that I switch out the bezel insert which is all brown and apparently meant for the full gold version 1675/8, it should have the half and half version. Nothing was said about the dial other than there is a small scratch they were unable to show me. I was just going to use LAWW for esrvice with the intent on doing some case work, but at the end of the day they don't have a parts account and were unable to source a bezel ring, which needs replacement as the insert is just glued in at this point. I abused the hell out of this watch in my younger days… I personally have had it since 1987, and it has been service twice since I have owned it. They didn't mention the Tiffany script either.
Oh, and on another note. I did contact Tiffany after seeing a similar auction that said the watch was authenticated by Tiffany. This one: https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...9-details.aspx). Tiffany & Co did not respond for several months, and only responded a little over a month ago. Profuse apologies followed. I included information on my watch and the auction link above. I have not heard from them since. I think the person who did respond was probably a new customer service rep and had no idea what I was asking. It did get bumped up to Purchasehistory@tiffany.com but like I said it has been over a month and nothing… If I ever did want to sell it I certainly would not do so through TRF or Hodinkee, or whatever, and would go straight to Phillip's or Sotheby's as that is where you would realize the highest return, even without papers. For the time being I just want it serviced so I can wear it. Cheers all! Be gentle, I know for you true collectors even real papers and a photo of the purchase would probably not be enough given other threads I have seen.… Fact is, I have found my comments a thread-killer, usually, which is unfortunate as there is always something to learn. |
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I have frequented this site for a number of years and seen many discussions of Tiffany branded watches..........but what I have never seen ( here ) is a set of stamped papers from Tiffany..............and that includes the for sale section.....why is that?
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Tics all the boxes though. Period correct, original everything and unpolished. |
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Old authorized co-signs are no problem for Rolex as long as it's an original Rolex dial; For anyone to try to convince others that the fact that Rolex will happily service a watch with a fake Tiffany co-sign is somehow proof the dial is a Tiffany borders on wilful misinformation. I truly do not want to offend you bit it's irresponsible to allow people to believe your thesis when it simply isn't true. It's possible 95% of the "Tiffany" dials extant are fake.It's the most common fake on Rolex. If Tiffany provides this service I think a certificate should be required to even call one of these things a Tiffany. Call an RSC and try to get them to confirm your thesis; that Rolex confirms Tiffany dials prior to service. |
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So far I have yet to see actual evidence that Rolex authenticates and verifies the T stamp. All we have is speculation and assumptions.
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What is working against the Tiffany dial is that it is just a simple tiny black script. If it was a substantial mark; a hallmark engraved into the caseback....or even a color ink logo like my Winn Dixie, it would be easier to assess.
I do find the premium to be surprising. Even if a watch had papers, I am very much jaded by the quantity of fake docs online. An heirloom watch with strong provenance and paperwork is the only way to be sure. |
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The only argument you have is that “Rolex doesn’t know which are true Tiffany dials themselves so they let them all slide.” That seems far more unreasonable than Rolex knows what serial numbers were sold through Tiffany retailers so they can discern for themselves whether a dial merits replacing or not. |
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11 December 2020, 01:10 AM | #48 |
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So, to summarize.....not one member here knows for sure how Rolex regards a Tiffany stamped watch when one comes to them.
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I know you're desperate to defend your purchase of one of these dials but it's beginning to feel like the desperation of the guys who bought/sold 40,000 dollar blueberry GMT inserts. :) Make that call to RSC, I'm sure they will be happy to help you. |
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If Tiffany ever got it together to make this a real service, it could clear up a lot of debate about these Tiffany-stamped Rolexes. Perhaps it's a newer service that's now on hiatus because of the pandemic. |
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Imagine a Tiffany Blueberry GMT thread...
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the case was dented the hands are worn the dial is scratched the hands are scratched the bracelet needs to be replaced etc… |
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I would be quite comfortable if I was 330ci or anyone else who owns a Tiffany branded watch that has been serviced by RSC with that dial in situ - the dial therefore is genuine. As pointed out by by 330ci, there is no way on earth any RSC would service a modified watch. Why don't you phone RSC if you're so confident? I'm sure they would be delighted to confirm that they would only service a Tiffany branded watch if they were certain of it's origins |
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I'm sure some records have survived but in all likelihood a long way from being extensive and complete list of all the Rolex watches they sold from the late 50's -early 90's |
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Are you claiming Rolex cancelled Tiffany’s AD status partly due to them imprinting the dials? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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